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I'D LIKE TO CALL THIS MARCH 9TH -- GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONER GARCIA.

THIS MARCH 9TH 2021 MEETING TO ORDER. >> RODNEY ELLIS: GOOD

MORNING. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER CAGLE?

[Raymond Johnson of Ireland Outreach International in Houston.]

JOCK JOCK GOOD MORNING,. >> R. JACK CAGLE: GOOD MORNING, YOUR HONOR.

ST. PATRICK'S DAY IS AROUND THE CORNER SO WE ARE DELIGHTED TO BRING SOMEONE WITH A SPECIAL CONNECTION TO IRELAND TO DO OUR OPENING INVOCATION TODAY.

THAT IS RAYMOND JOHNSON. HE HAS BEEN SERVING THE LORD SINCE HE WAS 14.

IN 2008 HE AND HIS WIFE WERE SENT OUT TO THE MISSION FIELD OF IRELAND BY THEIR CHURCH WHICH IS COLONIAL HILLS INIAL -- IN ALBINE, TEXAS. HE SERVES AS THE COO AND THE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF IRELAND OUT REACH. THEY MOVED THEIR INTERNATIONAL HEADQUARTERS OF THEIR ORGANIZATION TO HARRIS COUNTY PRECINCT 4 A COUPLE YEARS AGO, JUDGE. AND THEY HAVE KNOCKED ON EVERY DOOR IN THE CAPITAL CITY OF DUBLIN TWICE AND HOSTED FILM CREW SIDES -- CRUSADES AND PROVIDED BIBLES AND THE NEW TEST MEANT AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS IN IRELAND AS WELL AS AFRICA AND SOUTH AMERICA FOR RELIEF EFFORTS AND WE ARE DELIGHTED THAT THEY BASE THEIR MISSION WORK ON THEIR FELLOW MAN AND WOMAN IN HARRIS COUNTY. WITH NO FURTHER ADIEU AND IN HONOR OF ST. PATRICK'S DAY WHICH IS COMING UP ON THE 17TH, JUST RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, WE WILL -- WE WILL TURN IT OVER TO PASTOR JOHNSON.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CAGLE. THAT WAS A WONDERFUL INTRODUCTION. I COULD NOT HAVE DONE BETTER MYSELF.

COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND COUNTY JUDGE LINA HIDALGO, IT IS AN HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL. I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THE MEETING IN PRAYER.

LET'S PRAY. HEAVENLY FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN US. WE THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT YOU HAVE AFFORDED US TO COME TOGETHER EVEN IN THIS MANNER. SO MANY ARE ON THE PHONE OR VIA ZOOM MEETING. ALTHOUGH WE KNOW IT IS A PRIVILEGE TO LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY AND IN PARTICULAR THIS COUNTY, HARRIS COUNTY, FATHER, YOU HAVE BLESSED THIS COUNTY ABUNDANTLY AND WE THANK YOU AS WE CONSIDER ALL WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY BYWAY OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND BYWAY OF PEOPLE RESOURCES. SUCH A DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTY. IT IS A PRIVILEGE FOR EACH OF US TO BE HERE.

FATHER, IT IS EQUALLY A PRIVILEGE THAT WE HAVE THOSE ON THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT LEAD BY COUNTY JUDGE LINA HIDALGO ALONG WITH COMMISSIONER RODNEY ELLIS AND COMMISSIONER TOM RAMSEY AND COMMISSIONER ADRIAN GARCIA AND COMMISSIONER JACK CAGLE THAT EACH OF THESE WOULD LEAD OUR COUNTY. FATHER, WE THANK YOU FOR OUR LOCAL LEADERS AND WE PRAY FOR THEM. WE KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A GREAT BURDEN THEY CARRY WITH THEM EVERY DAY. THERE IS SO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY AND SO MUCH IS NEEDED. FATHER, WE CONSIDER SOME OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, AND WE KNOW THE AGENDA IS SO PACKED WITH SO MANY ITEMS OF SUCH CONCERN, BUT PERHAPS NONE MORE THAN THE ISSUE OF COVID. FATHER, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA, AND I THANK YOU THAT THE HARRIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS TRYING TO TACKLE THIS ISSUE HEAD ON. WE KNOW THERE ARE GREAT CONCERNS AND SO MANY HAVE DIED. FATHER, YOU -- EVEN SOME WE KNOW I'M SURE HAVE BEEN TAKEN BY COVID-19. AND ALTHOUGH WE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY IT IS, WE KNOW WE CAN STILL BE MOVED TO ACTION.

FATHER, I THANK YOU THAT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WILL TAKE PLACE WITH THE DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE AND THAT EVEN MORE ACTION WILL TAKE PLACE TO SAVE LIVES AND TO PROTECT PEOPLE AND HELP THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED. FATHER, WE CERTAINLY PRAY THAT THE COMMIS -- THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT WILL DESIRE TO EFFECT CHANGE IN OUR COUNTY AND THEY WOULD LOOK TO IMPROVE THE LIVES AND THE WELL BEING OF ALL THAT LIVE HERE.

WE CONSIDER THE VARIOUS CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, ENGINEERING AND SO ON THAT'S ON THE LIST, THE AGENDA. SO MANY ITEMS. TOO MANY TO MENTION INDIVIDUALLY AT THE MOMENT, FATHER, AND YET WE KNOW THAT YOU KNOW OF EACH OF THEM AND YOU KNOW THE CONCERNS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY THESE.

WE PRAY THAT AS DECISIONS ARE MADE CONCERNING THESE TOPICS, THAT YOU WOULD GIVE COUNTY JUDGE LINA HIDALGO AND THE COMMISSIONERS THE WISDOM AND THE KNOWLEDGE AND THE INSIGHT

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AND THE FORE SIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE IMPACTFUL FOR TODAY, BUT EVEN INTO THE FUTURE. FATHER, WE PRAY FOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON AND WITH A NEED CLOSE TO MY OWN HEART THAT WE EVEN CONSIDER THE REACHING OF THE PEOPLE SO THAT WE WOULD TOUCH THEIR LIVES PHYSICALLY AND THAT WE WOULD HELP THEM IN ANYWAY POSSIBLE, BUT ALSO TOUCH THEIR MIND AND HEART.

SO, FATHER, I PRAY THAT, AGAIN, FOR THESE COMMUNITY SERVICE PROJECTS AND EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED, DECIDED, PLANNED AND PREPARED THAT IT WOULD BE DONE TO GLORIFY YOU AND THAT IT WOULD EFFECT CHANGE IN THESE PEOPLE'S LIVES AND IT WOULD NOT BE JUST A CHANGE FOR TODAY, BUT EVEN CHANGES FOR GENERATIONS TO COME.

WE CONSIDER THE MATTERS OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THE BUDGET AND SO ON, AND AGAIN THERE ARE SO MANY ISSUES, SO MANY IMPORTANT ISSUES. AND FATHER WE PRAY AS THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT CONSIDERS THE 243 PLUS ITEM THAT'S ARE ON THE AGENDA JUST FOR TODAY, WE PRAY FATHER EACH OF THESE WILL GET THE ATTENTION THEY DESERVE AND THE DECISIONS WILL BE MADE TO IMPACT PEOPLE AND ULTIMATELY, FATHER, AGAIN, WE PRAY FOR OUR LEADERS IN THE COUNTY. FATHER WE PRAY THAT YOU WOULD GIVE THEM WISDOM AND INSIGHT.

WE PRAY AGAIN FOR COUNTY JUDGE LINA HIDALGO AS SHE IS LEADING THE WAY.

WE PRAY FOR THE COMMISSIONERS, RODNEY ELLIS, TOM RAMSEY, ADRIAN GARCIA AND JACK CAGLE, FATHER WE PRAY THEY WILL MAKE CHANGES IMPACTFUL TO THE COMMUNITY AND FOR THOSE IN THE COUNTY THAT WE WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT AS LEADERS WE SHOULD FOLLOW.

WE PRAY THAT YOU GRANT THEM A SUCCESSFUL MEETING AND THAT AS THEY TRY TO GET EVERYTHING DECIDED AND ADDRESSED TODAY, THAT IT WOULD BE DONE SO IN A TIMELY AND EFFECTIVE MATTER.

WE PRAY ALL THIS IN THE NAME OF YOUR SON, JESUS CHRIST, AMEN.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: AMEN. THANK YOU, PASTOR. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: THANK YOU,

PASTOR. AMEN. >> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU,

PASTOR. >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON.

I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP. >> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE CIP TODAY.

I PROPOSE WE START WITH THE 2021-2022CIP AND WE TAKE ANY SPEAKERS FOR THE CIP, AND GO OVER CI AND THEN GO ON TO -- CI AND THEN GO ON WITH THE REST OF THE SPEAKERS.

LUCINDA, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKERS ON THE CIP? >> WE DO NOT.

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LET'S GET STARTED WITH THE CIP THEN. AND I WILL LET DAVE MAKE HIS OPENING REMARKS. RODRIGUEZ

>> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE, AND -- IS HE GOING TO PUT HIS PRESENTATION ON THE SCREEN?

>> LINA HIDALGO: DAVE, I WANT TO THANK YOU AND ALL OF YOUR TEAM FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE IN PREPARING THIS. IT'S SUCH A BIG PART OF WHAT WE DO.

IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND IT IS CLEAR THAT THERE IS A LOT OF THOUGHT THAT NEEDS TO GO INTO IT AND PARTICULARLY THE FLOOD CONTROL SIDE.

I'M SURE WE WILL DISCUSS THAT, BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING CREATIVE AND THOROUGH IN YOUR

ANALYSIS AND PRESENTATION. >> R. JACK CAGLE: YOUR HONOR? >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER

CAGLE? GO AHEAD. >> R. JACK CAGLE: FOR CLARIFICATION, WE ARE TAKING THIS UP AS ITEM 88 UNDER BUDGET MANAGEMENT FOR OUR

CIP? >> LINA HIDALGO: YES. THAT'S RIGHT.

THAT'S ITEM 88 ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. >> R. JACK CAGLE: I DID FORWARD A LITTLE MOTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT GOT TO EVERYBODY.

I DON'T NEED TO TAKE IT UP UNTIL AFTER THE PRESENTATION IS DONE.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THOUGH THAT EVERYBODY GOT OUR MOTION RELATED TO THIS ITEM.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER ELLIS? >> RODNEY ELLIS: COMMISSIONER CAGLE, IS THAT ON THIS ITEM OR ANOTHER ITEM RELATED TO THE BUDGET?

THIS IS CIP. >> R. JACK CAGLE: I'M SORRY. 89.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER ELLIS. >> RODNEY ELLIS: I KNOW YOU ARE SO EFFICIENT, BUT I WAS GOING TO SAY I DIDN'T GET A MOTION ON 88.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: I STILL NEED ANOTHER SIP OF COFFEE. I ONLY STARTED SINCE 6.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: AND JUDGE I JUST WANTED TO ASK YOU OR MR. BERRY, WHAT IS YOUR PREFERENCE. ON ONE OF THE SLIDES I WILL HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.

WOULD YOU PREFER WE WAIT UNTIL THE END? ON ONE SLIDE I WANT TO ASK A

POINT. >> LINA HIDALGO: I SUGGEST WE LET HIM GO THROUGH IT AND THEN

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WE WILL ASK ALL OF OUR QUESTIONS. >> RODNEY ELLIS: ALL RIGHT.

AND THIS IS A GREAT PRESENTATION BY THE WAY. THE VISUALS DO HELP.

THEY HELP ME UNDERSTAND IT A LOT BETTER THAN THE WORDS AND THE OTHER STUFF WE HAVE BEEN DOING. PUT ME ON THE LIST TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS WHEN HE

FINISHES. >> LINA HIDALGO: GO AHEAD, DAVE.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. FIRST OF ALL, LET ME STRESS THAT THIS IS -- THIS IS A TEAM EFFORT. IN PARTICULAR I WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR PARTNERS IN ENGINEERING AND FLOOD CONTROL AND UNIVERSAL SERVICES AND TOLL ROAD. AND BOTH THE CIP AND THE POLICIES PROCEDURES WE ARE PROPOSING HAVE BEEN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT HERE. I HOPE WILL BE A FRAMEWORK TO WORK TOGETHER IN THE FUTURE. I'M PLEASED TO PRESENT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM PROPOSED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021-2022. IT COVERS BROG JECT -- PROJECTS OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. THIS WOULD BE A HISTORIC INVESTMENT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE. THERE IS AN INVESTMENT OF $8 BILLION IN INFRASTRUCTURE AND COUNTY ROADS AND SYSTEMS AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE PRECINCTS THEY ARE EXECUTING. I DO THINK THE CIP WOULD BE A HUGE CONTRIBUTION FOR JOBS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AGAINST FLOODING AND MAKE OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT WORK BETTER, TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. AT THE SAME TIME WITH A COUNTY THIS BIG AND COMPLEX AND WITH SO MANY KINDS OF DISASTERS TO DEAL WITH, WE WILL HAVE SOME CHALLENGES ON THE CIP. WE HAVE TAKEN THE APPROACH OF LAYING THEM OUT THERE TO BEGIN TO WORK THROUGH THEM TOGETHER. WE HAVE ABOUT A 300-PAGE DOCUMENT THAT IS POSTED ONLINE. THERE IS A 25-PAGE SUMMARY UP FRONT. THOSE 25 PAGES I PICKED UP SEVEN TO GO THROUGH HERE AND IT SHOULD TAKE ME A LITTLE UNDER 10 MINUTES. SO LET'S START WITH SLIDE FIVE. WE HAVE PROPOSED UPDATING THE POLICIES PROCEDURES FOR CIP.

WE ARE ASKING COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO APPROVE THIS CIP. IN THE PAST IT HAS JUST BEEN TRANSMITTED. IT DOESN'T MEAN COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS APPROVING EVERY PROJECT AND EVERY DOLLAR. THEY ARE APPROVING THE DIRECTION AND THE FRAMEWORK WE WANT TO DO. AND WE PROPOSED NEW POLICIES PROCEDURES BEYOND THAT APPROVAL. AT THE HEART WE CAN'T TO CREATE A FRAMEWORK.

FIRST, WHAT IS THE STATUS OF A PROJECT? SOME ARE ALREADY UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND SOME ARE IN THE EARLIEST PLANNING STAGES. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE LOTS OF PROJECTS IN THE COUNTY. WE HAVE COME UP WITH A FIVE-STAGE PROCESS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO SAY AT ANY POINT, WHERE IS ANY PROJECT AND WHERE ARE THEY IN THE PROCESS? SECOND, HOW DO PROJECTS GET APPROVED FOR FUNDING? COMMISSIONER'S COURTESIES A VARIETY OF ITEMS. SOMETIMES THEY APPROVE PROJECTS AND SOMETIMES THEY SEE CHANGE ORDERS. WE THINK IT IS GOOD TO MEMORIALIZE WHEN A PROJECT IS APPROVED AND HAVE PROPOSED A TWO-STEP PROCESS HERE. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO SOMETHING I HAVE USED IN THE PRIVATE SEEK -- SECTOR TO CREATE CLARITY.

FIRST FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WHAT ARE THE GOALS? THIS WOULD BE A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS USUALLY.

AND ON THAT BASIS OF MOSTLY INTERNAL WORK PRESENTS A PRELIMINARY INVESTMENT.

WE WANT TO DESIGN AND WORK ON THIS PROJECT. IF THAT'S APPROVED, DESIGN THE PROJECT AND DO THE WORK AND THEN COME BACK AND SAY, NOW WE REALLY KNOW WHAT THE SCOPE IS AND THE TIMELINE AND WE LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES AND HAVE DONE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.

IS THIS PROJECT A GO OR NOT? SOME FOLKS HAVE ASKED ME WILL THIS SLOW THINGS DOWN? I HOPE IT IS THE OPPOSITE. USUALLY WHAT SLOWS THINGS DOWN IS NOT HAVING CLARITY IN WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH. IF WE HAVE CLARITY WE ARE OFF TO THE RACES.

LUCINDA, IF YOU CAN GO TO SLIDE SEVEN, PLEASE. THIS AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL IS WHAT'S CONTAINED IN THE CIP. IF YOU LOOK AT THE GRAPH ON THE RIGHT THERE IS ABOUT $900 MILLION OF HARRIS COUNTY PROPERTY TAX-FUNDED PROJECTS. THAT'S BUILDINGS, SYSTEMS, GENERAL FUND ACTIVITIES. THERE IS 2.7 BILLION OF FLOOD CONTROL PROJECTS AND A LITTLE

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OVER $5 BILLION OF FLOOD CONTROL PROJECTS. OF THAT AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS IN A MINUTE, THERE IS AN OPEN FUNDING NEED FROM PARTNERS OR OTHER SOURCES OF $1.4 BILLION. GO TO SLIDE EIGHT PLEASE. SO THESE ARE THE PROJECTS I MENTIONED FUNDED BY HARRIS COUNTY PROPERTY TAX. THESE ARE THE LARGEST PROJECTS. I'LL HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THEM.

ONE IS A MAJOR RENOVATION TO THE COUNTY JAIL. THAT'S IN THE DESIGN PHASE.

IT WILL BE A MULTI-YEAR PROJECT. THE TOTAL COST IS ESTIMATED AT $185 MILLION. WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT BUILDING A NEW JAIL, BOTH FOR POLICY REASONS, WE GOT DIRECTIONS FROM COURT, AND FOR COST REASONS.

WE DO HAVE SOME DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS.

AND THIS WILL BE A PARTICULAR CHALLENGE WITH THE CURRENT HIGH JAIL POPULATION.

TO RENOVATE THE JAIL, IT MAY REQUIRE HAVING SOME SPACE TO DO IT.

SO EXPECT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THIS THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THIS YEAR.

SECOND I WILL HIGHLIGHT MANY OF THE RELATED BUILDING MAINTENANCE PROJECTS.

THIS IS AN AREA WE ARE GETTING SMARTER AND ROOM TO GET SMARTER STILL AND GETTING THEM UP TO SNUFF. AND THOSE WE DON'T, WE ARE REINVENTING.

SO TO APPROVE THE FIRST YEAR AND WORK OVER THE COMING YEAR ON A PLAN THAT SAYS WHAT DO WE WANT TO MAINTAIN AND MAKE A PROFESSIONAL PLACE TO WORK AND WHAT DO WE NEED TO TRANSITION? IF YOU GO TO SLIDE 10, LUCINDA.

THIS IS A PICTURE OF FLOOD CONTROL I THINK IT IS CLEAR FROM THE CONTACTS IN THE PRESENTATION BUT THIS IS WHAT IS NEEDED FOR THE PROJECT. THERE ARE OTHER FLOOD CONTROL NEEDS TO CIP, BUT NOT THE LEVEL OF PROTECTION WE NEED. THE ORIGINAL PREMISE OF THE 2018 BOND PROGRAM WAS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD INVEST $2.5 BILLION OF ITS OWN MONEY FOR A VOTER APPROVED BOND ISSUE. APPROXIMATELY 2.5 BILLION WOULD COME FROM FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL PARTNERS. OF THAT 2.5 WE SECURED ABOUT 1.2 BILLION. THAT'S AN ACCOMPLISHMENT, BUT THERE IS STILL A FUNDING NEED TO COMPLETE THE PROGRAM. THERE IS MORE DETAIL IN THIS THAT I WON'T GO THROUGH, BUT THE HOPE AFTER HURRICANE HARVEY, THAT FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDS WOULD BE FOCUSED ON HARRIS COUNTY WHERE WE SAW THE WORST DAMAGE FROM HARVEY HAS NOT TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE.

THAT MEANS WE HAVE AN ISSUE TO WORK THROUGH. OF THE FUNDING WE WORKED HARD IN THE LINE OF SIGHT BETWEEN 1,000,00500 MILLION. IT LEAVES THE GAP THAT WE HAVE GOT TO DEAL WITH. IF YOU GO TO SLIDE 16, PLEASE, LUCINDA.

THIS IS BY WATER SHED WHERE WE ARE SHORT FUNDED. THIS IS THE CURRENT STATE OF PLAY. THIS IS THE FUNDING TO COMPLETE THE BOND PROGRAM AND NOT THE FINAL FUNDING NEEDED. GREEN IS WELL FUNDED. RED IS WHERE WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT OPEN FUNDING POSITION. THERE IS DEFINITELY A GEOGRAPHIC PATTERN HERE. SOME OF THE WATER SHED IS ON THE EASTSIDE AND THE RED HAS MORE SIGNIFICANT FUNDING SHORT FALLS. WHICH IS WHAT WE NEED COUNTY WIDE AND IN PARTICULAR THAT HAVE NOT SECURED AS MUCH PARTNER FUNDING.

CAN YOU GO BACK ONE. WE DO NEED TO START FOCUSING ON THE FLOODING NEEDS.

WE ARE CLEARLY WORKING WITH PARTNERS, BUT UPPING OUR GAME AND WORKING WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIALS INCLUDING MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT TO MAKE SOLID ASKS.

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THERE MAY BE POTENTIALS TO RESCOPE AND FACE PROJECTS AND DELIVER ON THE ORIGINAL BENEFITS. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK HARD AT OTHER COUNTY FUNDING INCLUDING ROAD AND BRIDGE FUNDS AND FUNDING SOURCES TO HELP CLOSE THIS GAP.

SO WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION, IN MY OPINION, TO PRESS THE BRAKES DOWN HARD ON WHAT WE ARE DOING, BUT WE ARE IN A POSITION WHERE WE NEED TO START TAKE SOMETHING ACTION TO ADDRESS THIS FUNDING. AND THEN IF YOU GO TO SLIDE 18, PLEASE, LUCINDA.

I WILL FOCUS ON HCTRA. HCTRA HAS A BIG INVESTMENT PROJECT.

THE BIGGEST IS THE SHIP CHANNEL BRIDGE ALLOWING A DEEPENING OF THE SHIP CHANNEL. MOST OF THESE ARE IN IMPLEMENTATION.

WHILE THERE IS A LOT OF ACTIVITY, THERE ARE RELATIVELY FEW DECISIONS BECAUSE THESE PROJECTS ARE FUEL -- ACTUALLY -- ARE FULLY APPROVED.

WHILE AFTER THE BIG PROJECTS AND AFTER THE NEW TOLLWAYS IT IS SIGNIFICANTLY SUPPORTING FREE INFRASTRUCTURE AROUND THE COUNTY FOR MOBILITY TRANSFERS AND OTHERWISE.

SO THAT CONCLUDES MY SHORT PRESENTATION HERE. LOOK FORWARD TO DISCUSSION AND

ANY QUESTIONS. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER ELLIS AND COMMISSIONER

GARCIA. >> RODNEY ELLIS: IT IS A GREAT PRESENTATION.

DAVE, YOU ALL LAY IT OUT WELL. MY CONCERN IS FLOODING RIGHT NOW. OUR BUDGET WHEN WE DISCUSSED IT LAST WEEK REALLY IS A STATEMENT ABOUT OUR VALUES. MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. WHAT WE TWEET OR FACEBOOK OR SPEECHES WE GIVE, AT THE END OF THE DAY, HOW WE SPEND THE TAXPAYERS' RESOURCES REALLY IS THE ULTIMATE ISSUE. WHEN WE PUT THE BOND ISSUE ON THE BALLOT ONLY TWO OF US WERE HERE. I FOLDED IT UP AND HIS LANGUAGE WENT ON THE BALLOT.

IT SAYS "SINCE FLOODING ISSUES DO NOT RESPECT JURISDICTIONAL OR POLITICAL BOUNDARIES, THE COMMISSIONER'S COURT SHALL PROVIDE A PROCESS FOR THE EQUITABLE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS. RECOGNIZING THAT PROJECT SELECTION MAY HAVE BEEN AFFECTED IN THE PAST AND IT MAY CONTINUE TO BE AFFECTED BY ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OF MATCHING FEDERAL, STATE AND OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT FUNDS. THAT WAS ON THE BALLOT.

IT WAS SECTION G. THAT ITEM WAS AGREED TO GO ON THE BALLOT UNANIMOUSLY BY ALL MEMBERS OF THIS GOVERNING BOARD AT THAT TIME. DAVE, IF I MIGHT, WE HAVE A $1.5 BILLION FUNDING GAP. AND I WANT TO GET YOUR SENSE OF WHAT DO WE HAVE WITH OUR

FUNDS TO CLOSE THIS GAP? >> THE BIGGEST OPPORTUNITIES ARE FIRST TOLL ROAD FUNDS.

IF YOU RECALL LAST YEAR WE HAD A TRANSFER OF $230 MILLION. IT IS NOT YET ALLOCATED AND IT COULD BE A DOWN PAYMENT AND IT COULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE OTHER TRANSFERS IN THE FUTURE. THAT COULD BE USED IN TWO WAYS.

ONE THERE ARE PROJECT THAT'S ARE CLEARLY ROAD-RELATED. THE OTHER IS FLOOD CONTROL PROJECTS IN A SIGNIFICANT NEXT SUCCESS WITH THE TOLL ROAD SYSTEM.

I THINK THERE IS A POTENTIAL TO USE THE FUNDS THERE. THERE IS POTENTIAL TO USE SOME OF THE COUNTY'S AUTHORIZED ROAD AND BRIDGE DECK. IT IS FOR SOME OF THE SAME PROJECTS. AND BEYOND THAT, WE ARE LOOKING AT RAISING FLOOD CONTROL TAXES AND REGARDLESS OF HOW IT WAS DONE EITHER THROUGH A NEW BOND OR INCREASING THE TAX RATE, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE VOTE.

THERE MAY BE OTHER SMALLER OPPORTUNITIES, BUT THOSE ARE THE THREE BIG ONES IF OUR

MONEY IS GOING TO CLOSE THIS GAP. >> RODNEY ELLIS: SO JUST GO A LITTLE DEEPER. HOW WOULD THAT WORK AND WITH HCTRA MOBILITY FUNDS, HOW

WOULD THAT WORK AS WELL? >> I THINK WITH HCTRA FUNDS WE NEED TO IDENTIFY ELIGIBLE PROJECTS. AND THE FLOOD CONTROL AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, WE ARE GOING

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TO PAY FOR OUR PORTION OF THOSE PROJECTS. AND THAT CAN LEAD THE BONDING WE MIGHT SPEND ELSEWHERE. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE TOO CONCERNED ABOUT THE FUNDING SOURCE. IT WOULD ESSENTIALLY BE THE SAME WITH BRIDGE DECK.

THEY HAVE MONEY AUTHORIZED. NOT ALL IS ALLOCATED TO THE PRECINCT.

OBVIOUSLY THERE IS ONLY SO MUCH BUDGET SO IT IS A MATTER OF PRIORITIES SO WE HAVE TO WORK THROUGH WHAT ORGANIZATION IS NEEDED FOR OTHER USES. AND IT IS THE FLOOD CONTROL PROJECT. WHEN YOU WIDEN THE CHANNEL YOU OFTEN HAVE TO DO WORK ON THE BRIDGE. THE FINAL OPTION WAS RAISING TAXES.

AND THAT NEEDS TO BE VOTED. AND TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE THIS SIZE IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE VOTE. IN ADDITION TO LOOKING TO MORE PARTNER FUNDING.

IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT WE'RE DONE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR WHAT WE CAN

FIND. >> RODNEY ELLIS: CAN YOU POP THAT SLIDE 16 BACK UP AGAIN? THAT WAS THE ONE WITH THE COLORS ON. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I AM CLEAR ON THIS. IF WE DON'T DO ANYTHING. IF WE DON'T CHANGE HOW WE'RE SPENDING MONEY, THE MONEY WE HAVE, WHAT WE WILL COMPLETE, WHAT DOES THE MAP TELL US? THIS IS THE SNAP SHOT OF WHAT IS THE FUNDING WE HAVE IN TERMS OF THE ORIGINAL BOND PROCEEDS AND THE SECURED PARTNER FUNDING. THAT'S THE NUMERATOR AND THE DENOMINATOR IS THE REVERSE. WHAT DO WE HAVE LEFT TO FUND, RIGHT, OVER THE TOTAL PROJECT. WHAT THAT TELLS YOU IS WE COULD FINISH IN TERMS OF THE 2018 BOND PROGRAM. WE CAN FINISH AND DO THE WORK THE WATER SHED WOULD BRING.

IF THE WATER SHED IS I'M BRED, WE WILL -- INBRED, WE HAVE TO BASE IS ON WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, WHEN MY PUT IT TOGETHER, IT LOOKS CLEAR TO ME THAT A NUMBER OF PROJECTS ON THE EASTSIDE OF HARRIS COUNTY, THE FOLKS DOWNSTREAM ACCORDING TO A MAP I WILL POP UP LATER, IN MY AREAS THEY ARE THE ONES UNDER FUNDED.

IF WE KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING, TELL ME IF I'M RIGHT, IT MEANS 20% OF THOSE PROJECTS WILL BE COMPLETED WHILE WE ARE DOING 80 TO 90% OF THE OTHER PROJECTS.

IS THAT PRETTY MUCH WHAT THIS MAP IS TELLING US? >> IT IS CERTAINLY TELLING YOU BASED ON WHERE WE ARE TODAY. I THINK WE HAVE LOTS OF OPPORTUNITIES TO ADDRESS THIS

FUNDING SHORT FALL AND PUT A FOCUS ON THE UNDER FUNDED. >> RODNEY ELLIS: I WANT TO GO TO RUSS, IF I MIGHT, FOR A SECOND. I DO WANT TO STRESS THAT WE CAN PRAY FOR MONEY FROM STATE OR FEDERAL PARTNERS AND WE CAN LOBBY TO GET IT.

BUT IF WE DON'T GET. IT IT IS UNACCEPTABLE, AND IN MY JUDGMENT, WE WILL ALL HAVE BLOOD ON OUR HANDS BECAUSE WE WILL HAVE LIED. THE LANGUAGE THAT I READ EARLIER WAS ON THE BALLOT WE RECOGNIZED EVERYBODY ON THE COURT.

WE KNOW THE FEDERAL MONEY AND THE STATE MONEY IS ON A COST BENEFIT RATIO.

THEY DON'T FLOOD SOMETIMES. THEY FLOOD EVERY TIME. I'LL PULL THE TAPES AND SEND YOU SPEECHES BECAUSE I WILL CERTAINLY RUN THEM. I REMEMBER WHEN THIS PACKAGE WENT FROM ONE BILLION THAT WAS -- THERE WAS TALK ABOUT 10 BILLION.

2.5 WAS MENTIONED AT ONE POINT. RUSS, I KNOW ARE YOU COMING UP NEXT. GUESS I WAS IN A MEETING WITH YOU.

AND THEN SOMETHING CHANGED. I GUESS FOCUS GROUP SAID THERE WAS A PROBLEM FOR SOMEBODY.

AND SO IT WENT DOWN TO A BILLION. IF YOU DON'T GET TO 2.5 BASED ON WHAT YOU, RUSS, EXPLAINED TO ME, MY INTERPRETATION WAS WE WOULD BE TELLING PEOPLE IF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS GREENS AND HALLS AND HARRIS COUNTY PARKS. THAT'S ALL WE ARE GONNA GET.

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WE CAN GIVE YOU SWIMMING LESSONS. RUSS, I JUST WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE WHOLE EQUITY GUIDELINES. IF YOU'RE THERE, RUSS? MY SENSE WAS WHEN I ASKED THE EQUITY LANGUAGE TO BE INCLUDED, IT IS TO PREVENT THESE KIND OF DISPARITY THAT'S HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTY FOREVER.

THROUGH NO FAULT, MIGHT I ADD, OF OUR OWN. WE WERE CHASING FEDERAL DOLLARS. WHICH YOU EXPLAINED THAT COST BENEFIT RATIO TO ME AND EVEN BRAYS BARELY QUALIFIES. IT TOOK FOREVER FOR BRAYS TO GET UNDER THE FORMULA.

I WANT TO GET A SENSE FRR YOU -- FROM YOU, RUSS, ARE WE USING THE EQUITY GUIDELINES? JUDGE, YOUR TEAM CAME UP WITH THE LANGUAGE. I WAS STUCK ON LMI.

IT IS GENERATIONAL. THAT WAS THE EQUITY LACK -- LANGUAGE I THOUGHT WOULD BE THE STANDARD BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HUD USES. I AM GLAD THE COUNTY USED IT BEFORE COMING FROM THE CDC. RUSS POPPY, BASED ON THIS MATTER CAN YOU SAY WE WERE FOLLOWING THE EQUITY GUIDELINES ON THE BALLOT THAT THIS COURT ADOPTED?

>> COMMISSIONER, JUDGE, THIS IS RUSS POPPY, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE HARRIS COUNTY

FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT -- >> RODNEY ELLIS: RUSS, IF YOU COULD AND COMMISSIONER ELLIS, I WANT TO PIGGYBACK ON THE COMMENT. SINCE WE HAVE RUSS I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION TOO. WITH YOUR PERMISSION I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO YOUR QUESTION BECAUSE I HAVE SOME IN RELATION TO EQUITY AND TO THE BROADER PICTURE OF WHAT THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE IS SHOWING. RUSS IF YOU WILL JUST INDULGE ME FOR A SECOND TO LAYOUT MY QUESTION FOR YOU. FIRST, MR. BERRY, I WANT TO APPLIED -- I WANT TO APPLAUD YOU AND THANK YOU FOR THE MOST TRANS -- TRANSPARENT CIP PROCESS THAT I AM FAMILIAR THAT HARRIS COUNTY HAS GONE THROUGH. AS YOU MENTIONED, WE TRANSMITTED IT AND IT HAD A LIFE OF ITS OWN. BUT THE PROCESS YOU LAID OUT IS ENSURING THAT THE PROJECTS ARE MEETING THE NEED AND DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT MEETS THAT NEED AND IS MOST COST EFFECTIVE FOR THE CITIZENS. WHOA -- AND IT BRINGS INTO QUESTION WHETHER WE NEED PROJECT -- IN THE PROJECTS. AND NOW TO WHAT IS BEING LAID OUT HERE, RUSS, LET ME JUST SAY THAT THIS MAP I THINK REFLECTS A FAILURE IN THE PLANNING OF BUILDING OUT THE BOND PROGRAM. IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN KNOWN THAT WE WOULD LACK LOCAL PARTNER FUNDING IN WATER SHEDS THAT ARE UNDER FUNDED.

THEY TEND TO BE IN THE MUD AREAS THAT ARE THE MOST ECONOMICALLY DEPRESSED.

IF COMMISSIONER ELLIS WAS LAID OUT WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME IN THE PRIORITIZATION GUIDELINES TO ENSURE THAT EQUITY WOULD BE ADHERED TO WITH HOW THE BOND PACKAGE WOULD BE EXECUTED.

AND NOW IT APPEARED THAT THE INITIAL PLANNING PROCESS MAY HAVE UNDER CUT OUR EFFORTS TO BRING EQUITY TO THE TABLE. AND THIS MAP HERE IS -- IT IS LIKE GEL -- GETTING HIT ACROSS THE BACK OF A BASEBALL BAT. THE TWO POOREST WATER SHEDS IN THE COUNTY AND THEY ARE BASICALLY LEFT OUT OF THE PROCESS. IN TERMS OF ADDING TO COMMISSIONER ELLIS' QUESTIONS, I WANT TO ADD TO THAT, WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHAT PROJECTS WOULD BE FUNDED WITH THE BOND? AND WHICH PROJECTS -- I WANT TO REPEAT MY QUESTION. WHAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS IN TERMS OF WHAT PROJECT WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH THE BOND PACKAGE, AND THEN WHAT PROJECTS WOULD BE FUNDED

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THROUGH GRANTS? AND THEN THE -- BECAUSE I SEE THE WATER SHED WITH THE DENSE POPULATIONS ALSO TEND TO HAVE THE GREATEST GAPS AND R AND THAT IS HALLS AND GREENS.

SINCE WE ARE GOING THROUGH FOUR YEARS SINCE HURRICANE HARVEY WALKING THRUST HOW WE GOT HERE. I KNOW I WASN'T AT THE TABLE WHEN THIS WAS VOTED ON.

COMMISSIONER ELLIS WAS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS A BIT OF YOUR HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE ON HOW WE GOT HERE. AND COMMISSIONER CAGLE WAS AT THE TABLE AS WELL. WHAT WAS THE DOLLAR VALUE OF THE DAMAGE THAT HARRIS COUNTY SUFFERED AS A RESULT OF HURRICANE HARVEY? WERE YOU UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT HARRIS COUNTY WOULD RECEIVE A DIRECT ALLOCATION OF APPROXIMATELY $1 BILLION TO HELP WITH FLOOD MITIGATIONS? IF YOU WERE, FROM WHOM? ONCE WE LEARNED THAT HARRIS COUNTY WOULD NOT BE RECEIVING A DIRECT ALLOCATION, I THINK THAT'S THE MOST RECENT HISTORY. WHAT WAS THE PROCESS OF RECEIVING FUNDS AS YOU KNOW IT FROM THE GLO. HOW MANY APPLICATIONS WOULD WE BE ALLOWED TO SUBMIT? HOW MANY APPLICATIONS DID WE SUBMIT? HAVE WE RECEIVED A RESPONSE FOR ANY AWARD APPLICATION WE SUBMITTED? IT HAS BEEN, AS I MENTIONED, THREE AND A HALF YEARS SINCE HURRICANE HARVEY, AND STILL WE ARE NOT STARTING ANY OF THE PROJECTS WE SUBMITTED TO THE STATE. WE WOULD LIKE TO BE A PARTNER, WITHOUT A DOUBT, WITH ALL OF THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO SERVING VICTIMS OF NATURAL DISASTERS. BUT AT THIS RATE HE MAY NOT START PROJECTS FOR ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. THE STATE WILL PARTNER WITH THIS AND I WILL ASK YOU TO COMMENT ON THAT. AND CAN WE WORK WITH THE STATE? DO YOU THINK THERE IS ANY OPPORTUNITY TO BETTER REACH OUT TO THEM? WHAT HAVE WE NOT DONE TO MAKE THE STATE A BETTER PARTNER IN SERVING THE CITIZENS OF HARRIS COUNTY AND IN PARTICULAR, ACCORDING TO THIS MAP, THE CITIZENS OF PRECINCT 2 AND 1. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE, RUSS, AND COMMISSIONER ELLIS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO CHIME IN.

>> LINA HIDALGO: IT SOUNDS LIKE WE ARE COLLECTING QUESTIONS BEFORE RUSS ANSWERS. COMMISSIONER CAGLE AND COMMISSIONER RAMSEY, IF YOU

WOULD LIKE TO ADD YOURS. >> R. JACK CAGLE: YES, THANK YOU, JUDGE.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO REQUEST. WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT --

>> LINA HIDALGO: RUSS, I HOPE YOU ARE TAKING NOTES. >> R. JACK CAGLE: WHILE TALKING ABOUT PAGE 16 I HAVE THREE QUICK OBSERVATIONS BASED ON THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED PRIMARILY WITH COMMISSIONER ELLIS. THE FIRST DEALT WITH THE EQUITY LANGUAGE AND HOW AT THE TIME WE SIGNED THIS AND PRESENTED IT BY GOING TO THE 22 WATER SHED. AND EACH WATER SHED HAD AN AMOUNT THAT WAS LISTED PER WATER SHED THERE ARE TWO COMPONENTS TO THAT FIRST QUESTION.

PART OF THAT EQUITY ARGUMENT WAS THAT WHEN WE REALIZED THAT WE HAD A LOT OF WATER SHEDS THAT WERE NOT RECEIVING CARE, AND THAT WE TOLD THE PUBLIC THAT 900 MILLION OF THE 2.5 WAS GOING TO GO WHERE THEY WOULD BE NO MATCH. 900MILLION OF THE 2.5 WOULD GO TO WHERE THERE WAS NO MATCH. THAT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER ELLIS POINTED OUT, PREVIOUSLY WITH THE SCARCE RESOURCES WE ONLY WENT TO WHERE THERE WERE MATCHES

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INVOLVED. SO MY FIRST QUESTION TO RUSS IS OF THE 900 MILLION THAT WE HAD COMMITTED TO THE PUBLIC IN THAT CAMPAIGN THAT WOULD GO TO WHERE THERE IS NO MATCH, HOW MUCH OF THAT HAVE WE EARMARKED OR ALLOCATED IS UNDERWAY. ARE WE BELOW THE 900 MILLION?

ARE WE ABOVE THE 900 MILLION OR BEHIND THE 900 MILLION? >> RODNEY ELLIS: COMMISSIONER CAGLE IF I MIGHT JUST BECAUSE WE ARE ON MY TIME. I WANT TO ASK WHERE IS 900 MILLION ON THE BALLOT? I HAVE HERE THE LANGUAGE THAT IS ON THE BALLOT.

WHAT YOU SAID AT SOME MEETING OR WHETHER YOU SAID IT, SOMETIMES TRUTH IS IN THE MIND OF THE SPEAKER. I'M REFERRING TO WHAT'S ON THE BALLOT I DO RECALL SAYING MY EXPERIENCE AS A CITY COUNCILMEMBER WAS THEY LAID OUT EVERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS.

I'M DOING THIS ON MEMORY, RUSS, BUT I THINK IT WAS YOU AND OTHERS, MAYBE AT THE TABLE, TOLD ME THAT WE CAN'T GO PUT BRAYS BY YOU, WHATEVER AND THEN SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO SPEND 200 MILLION. IF IT COSTS 300 MILLION YOU STILL HAVE TO SPEND THE 3.

I DIDN'T BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE HOW DID THE CITY FIGURE OUT HOW TO GO DO A CIP WITH A PARK THAT MAYBE THEY THOUGHT WOULD COST 30 MILLION AND IT COSTS 50 MILLION OR VICE-VERSA.

I WANT TO STRESS AND COMMISSIONER CAGLE I WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL, AND I REALLY

MEAN THAT. >> R. JACK CAGLE: I APPRECIATE THAT.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: WHEN I WAS BY MYSELF, I MIGHT ADD, ARGUING FOR THE EQUITY LANGUAGE

BECAUSE RUSS POPPY WHEN I GOT THIS NOMINATION -- >> R. JACK CAGLE: COMMISSIONER ELLIS, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO ARGUE FOR THAT.

WE WERE IN AGREEMENT THAT WE NEEDED TO SPEND MONEY IN THE PLACES THAT HAD NOT GOTTEN SUPPORT. MY QUESTION IS TO THE 900 MILLION AND ARE WE ON TARGET OR NOT. THAT'S WHAT WAS BEING DISCUSSED.

JUDGE, THAT'S PART -- >> LINA HIDALGO: I GET IT AND I THINK THE ISSUE IS WHAT HAS WORKED FOR THE PAST TWO -- ONE COMMISSIONER ASKS QUESTIONS AND THEN THE DEPARTMENT HEAD ANSWERS AND THEN WE MOVE TO THE NEXT COMMISSIONER. WE HAVEN'T EVEN LET RUSS SPEAK. IF YOU GUYS -- I THINK WE WILL GET THROUGH THIS BETTER, AND I WANT TO ASK MY QUESTIONS TOO. COMMISSIONER ELLIS ASKED SOME QUESTIONS.

LET'S LET RUSS ANSWER THEM. AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO COMMISSIONER'S QUESTIONS AND LET RUSS ANSWER THEM AND THEN TO COMMISSIONER CAGLE AND THEN COMMISSIONER RAMSEY AND THEN I WILL ASK MINE. WHY DON'T WE DO THAT. WE ALL WANT TO HEAR FROM RUSS. WE DESERVE ANSWERS. I THINK WE ARE ALL BEWILDERED BY THIS. RUSS, WHY DON'T YOU ANSWER COMMISSIONER ELLIS' QUESTIONS AND THEN YOU CAN HAVE AN EXCHANGE WITH COMMISSIONER GARCIA AFTERWARDS.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: RUSS, IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER THEM, I WILL SAY THEM AGAIN.

>> COMMISSIONER, I APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE BEEN TAKEN -- TAKING NOTES. COMMISSIONER RODRIGUEZ YOU ASKED ABOUT THE FRAMEWORK AND ARE WE FOLLOWING THAT? ABSOLUTELY WE ARE. THE PRIORITIZATION FRAMEWORK ESTABLISHED THE SEQUENCING IN WHICH THE BOND PROJECT WOULD BE EXECUTED BECAUSE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED EXECUTING THE PROGRAM YOU MAY RECALL THAT THERE ARE -- THERE WERE 238 LINE ITEMS IN THE BOND PROGRAM AND WE COULDN'T START THEM AT ONE TIME.

THE PRIORITIZATION FRAMEWORK SAYS LOOKING AT ALL OF THE 10 METRICS WE IDENTIFIED AND WAS ADOPTED BY COURT, SOCIAL VULNERABILITY IS ONE OF THOSE.

OUT OF ALL OF THOSE WE EXECUTE IN THE FIRST BATCH, THE SECOND BATCH AND SO FORTH.

WE ARE EXECUTING ACCORDING TO THE PRIORITIZATION FRAMEWORK. >> RODNEY ELLIS: RUSS, ON THAT POINT, HOW DO WE GET TO -- WHAT DO WE DO SO THAT AT THE END OF THE PROCESS THIS MAP DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THIS? I CLEARLY REMEMBER THIS BOND PACKAGE GOING FROM A BILLION -- I'M JUST GUESSING. NOBODY COUNTED -- BUT WHEN YOU CAME TO BRIEF ME IT WAS 2.5 AND THEN NEXT WEEK IT WAS DOWN TO 1 BILLION. AND I WAS PREPARED TO VOTE NO, I THINK YOU RECALL THAT, BECAUSE WHAT YOU EXPLAINED TO ME WAS THAT UNLESS WE DID THE 2.5 GREENS AND HALLS WHICH WERE UPPERMOST IN MY MIND BECAUSE THEY FLOOD EVERY TIME.

HOW DO WE -- WHEN THE 2.5 IS GONE, HOW WILL WE NOT HAVE A MAP THAT STILL LOOKS LIKE THIS? HOW COULD WE FOLLOW THE EQUITY GUIDELINES WHEN -- IF WHEN THIS IS OVER GREENS AND HALLS ARE STILL AT THE BACK OF THE BUS?

>> COMMISSIONER, TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION I WILL JUMP TO ONE OF COMMISSIONER GARCIA'S QUESTIONS. HOW DID WE GET THERE? LOOK BACK AT THE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. YOU MAY RECALL WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE BOND PROGRAM WAS EARLY 2018. EARLY 2018 CONGRESS PASSED THE BIPARTISAN BUDGET ACT OF 2018. THAT HISTORIC BILL GAVE UNPRECEDENTED FUNDING AMOUNTS

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TO SEVERAL PARTNERS. ONE OF THE CORE OF ENGINEERS GOT 15 BILLION TO DO CONSTRUCTION. FEMA GOT $23 BILLION TO DO PUBLIC ASSISTANCE AS WELL AS MITIGATION PROJECTS. AND HUDD GOT THE LION'S SHARE, $28 BILLION.

THAT WAS EARLY 2018. AND YOU MAY RECALL WE HAD THE BOND PROGRAM AND THE BOND LANGUAGE IS ON THE JUNE -- JUNE 5TH, THERE ABOUTS, COURT AGENDA.

THE BOND ORDER WAS PRESENTED WITH THE LANGUAGE COMMISSIONER ELLIS YOU JUST READ ABOUT THE PRIORITIZATION AND THE FRAMEWORK THAT SHALL BE DEVELOPED.

SO THAT HAPPENED IN JUNE. WE HAD ALL OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENTS WITH THE COMMUNITY THROUGH THE MONTHS OF SUMMER AND LEADING UP TO THE BOND ELECTION IN AUGUST.

THE CORE WORK PLAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE BIPARTISAN BUDGET ACT CAME OUT WITH THE SAME TIME FRAME. WE HAD A CERTAINTY THAT HUNTING, CLEAR CREEK AND BRAYS, THEY WOULD BE FUNDED BY THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT.

WHAT WAS STILL UNCLEAR AT THAT TIME IS HOW MUCH FEMA MONEY WAS COMING TO TEXAS AS WELL AS HOW MUCH OF THE HOD MONEY WAS COMING TO -- HUD MONEY WAS COMING TO TEXAS.

THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT HAVING, QUOTE, UNQUOTE, SKIN IN THE GAME.

AS COMMISSIONER CAGLE MENTIONED WE WANTED SKIN IN THE GAME, BUT WANTED TO LEAVE OPPORTUNITY FOR FEDERAL PARTNERS AND STATE PARTNERS TO GET INVOLVED IN THE BOND PROGRAM. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT WITH GLO AND HUD WORKING THROUGH THEIR PROCESS. EARLY 2019 IS WHEN WE STARTED TO DO BUYOUTS.

WE HAD FOUR AMENDMENTS TO THAT. WE HAVE $225 MILLION IN TOTAL BUYOUT DOLLARS WITH FEMA. THAT STARTED IN EARLY JUNE OF 2019.

AND THEN WE STARTED TO HEAR FEEDBACK FROM HUD ABOUT FUNDING FOR HOME REHABILITATION AND THEN THE ASSOCIATED MITIGATION PROGRAMS THAT WERE TO FOLLOW.

AND YOU MAY RECALL THAT WHEN THE MONIES WERE STARTING TO BECOME AVAILABLE TO HELP PEOPLE REPAIR THEIR HOMES WITH THE HUD FUNDING THE COUNTY AND THE CITY WERE ALLOCATED ABOUT A BILLION DOLLARS EACH TO DO HOME REPAIRS. REHABILITATION AND REPAIR AND REBUILDS. THAT CAME OUT AROUND MIDDLE TO LATE 2019 TIME FRAME.

WE ARE STILL GOING TO GET ADDITIONAL MONIES THROUGH THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MITIGATION PROGRAM. THE MITIGATION PROGRAM WAS GOING TO BE MADE AVAILABLE TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO DO INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS TO REDUCE RESIDENTS' FLOOD RISK.

AT THE TIME THE LOGIC BEING USED WAS IF YOU ARE GIVING A BILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TO DO HOME REPAIRS, IN OTHER WORDS TO HELP PEOPLE REBUILD THEIR LIVES, THEN THE LOGIC HAS YOU WOULD GIVE AN ADDITIONAL BILLION DOLLARS TO THE CITY OF HARRIS -- COUNTY OF HARRIS TO REPAIR THE HOMES. WHILE THE LOCAL DISCUSSIONS ARE BEING HAD WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE BOND PROGRAM.

WE MADE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY AVAILABLE AND THOSE AREA THAT'S WERE HISTORICALLY SCORING THE BEST FOR RECEIVING COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT GRANT MONIES WHICH ARE LOW TO MODERATE AND HIGHLY SOCIALLY VULNERABLE NEIGHBORHOODS. WHEN WE PUT THE BOND PROGRAM TOGETHER AND NOT KNOWING EVERYTHING WE KNOW TODAY, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD A VERY RIPE, IF YOU WILL, ROAD TO SEW FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO COME IN AND MAKE THE MONIES AVAILABLE TO PRIMARILY HALLS AND GREENS. AS YOU MAY RECALL IN JANUARY OF 2020 THE GLO CAME OUT WITH THE STATE ACTION PLAN THAT DID NOT INCLUDE DIRECT ALLOCATION FOR THE CITY AND THE COUNTY TO GET A BILLION DOLLARS. BUT RATHER THEY WOULD MAKE THE MONIES AVAILABLE TO THE TUNE OF AROUND $2.4 BILLION FOR HURRICANE HARVEY ON A STATEWIDE, COMPETITIVE APPLICATION PROCESS. RIGHT NOW, YOU APPLY FOR THE FUNDS, AND THERE IS A LOT OF PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU REMEMBER THE GATHERING ON THE CAMPUS OF TSU. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS A FAIR APPROACH GIVEN THEY MADE A PRECEDENT DECISION ON DIRECT ALLOCATION FOR HOUSING.

LONG STORY SHORT, WE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET A DIRECT ALLOCATION FOR A BILLION DOLLARS AND IT GOES TO THE RED YOU SEE ON THIS MAP. INSTEAD WE FIND OURSELVES IN A SITUATION WHERE LAST OCTOBER -- WE SUBMITTED $900 MILLION IN VALUE.

WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE COULD FOLLOWING THE STATE'S ACTION PLAN APPLYING FOR THE

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MAXIMUM DOLLARS WE CAN BRING IN AND WE ARE WAITING TO HEAR BACK ON THE APPLICATIONS.

WE SHOULD HEAR SOMETHING BY LATE APRIL AND EARLY MAY COMING BACK FROM THE GLO ABOUT

THE 9 AM -- APPLICATIONS. >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE IF I MIGHT AND I WILL WRAP UP.

THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE FLOODING PROJECTS.

ALL OF CIP IS IMPORTANT. AND, RUSS, I AM NOT BLAMING YOU OR US, BUT THE REASON I CAME UP WITH THE EQUITY LANGUAGE IS IT HAD SUPPORT FROM THE ENTIRE COURT AT THE TIME IS BECAUSE YOU EXPLAINED TO ME THE COST BENEFIT RATIO STUFF SEVERAL TIMES.

I FINALLY UNDERSTOOD IT. I THINK IF YOU GO TO THE PAGE 16 MAP FOR A SECOND, IF YOU BRING -- I THINK IT IS SLIDE 12. THE MAP ON PAGE 16.

I WANT TO STRESS THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THAT, IF WE ONLY COMPLETE THOSE GREEN -- I GUESS IT IS THE SAME. IF WE JUST DO THE GREEN STUFF AND LEAVE THE OTHERS BEHIND, THAT'S JUST NOT ACCEPTABLE. AND WHEN WE DEVELOP THE GUIDELINES, WE GAVE PEOPLE HOPE AND A PROMISE, PARTICULARLY POINTING OUT GREENS AND HALLS.

AND THEN SAY WE HOPE OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS COME IN. AT SOME POINT WE GOTTA MAKE A DECISION THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME BOAT. I REMEMBER AS A COUNCILMEMBER WHEN I WAS LEAVING THE CITY THEY AGREED TO PUT MONEY ON THE BALLOT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I WAS IN THE SENATE BY THEN. BUT THE MAYOR WANTED TO DO ALL OF THEIR STUFF AND THEN PROPOSITION TWO WAS GOING TO BE ELLIS' LITTLE HOUSING THING, THE POOR PEOPLE'S FUND. IF YOU HAVE PROP 1 FOR EVERYBODY AND THEN PROP 2 OVER HERE FOR THE POOR PEOPLE'S FUND, I WILL TELL YOU IN A MINUTE WHAT WILL HAPPEN. AND WE NEED TO -- IF WE ARE GOING BACK TO THE VOTERS -- LOOK, I WENT OUT AND CAMPAIGNED FOR IT. IT WAS AN HONEST ELECTION.

I CONCEDE COMMISSIONER CAGLE. YOU AND I WERE THERE. YOU REMEMBER CALLING ME IN YOUR OFFICE TELLING ME TO BACK DOWN A LITTLE BIT. LET ME MAKE THE POINT SO YOU DON'T ANGER THE JUDGE AT THAT TIME. I THINK YOU AGREED WITH ME.

WE THOUGHT THE BEST TIME TO GO WAS IN NOVEMBER WHEN MORE PEOPLE WOULD SHOW UP.

TURNED OUT TO BE WRONG. I ADMIT THAT. A BOND ISSUE WILL NEVER PASS FOR THIS COUNTY AGAIN. IF WE HAVE WHAT I SAID EARLIER -- I'M GLAD YOU READ THAT -- BLOOD ON OUR HANDS BECAUSE WE GAVE THOSE PEOPLE HOPE.

IT WAS A CLEAR EXPECTATION THAT WE WOULD NOT LET CHASING STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY DICTATE WHAT WE DO. THAT'S WHY IT WAS $2.5 BILLION.

WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT AT SOME POINT DO WE SLOW DOWN? DO WE PUT MORE OF OUR MONEY TOWARD WHERE I CAN SEE THE 75% FOR GREENS AND 74% FOR HALLS. THAT'S JUST NOT RIGHT.

IT IS NOT ENOUGH TO SAY, WELL, WE COULDN'T GET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO CHANGE ITS POLICY. THAT'S NOT HOW WE GOT THE 2.5.

I'LL FIGHT IT. I WOULD BE AGAINST IT AND IT WILL FAIL.

IF WE GO BACK TWO YEARS FROM NOW, COMMISSIONER AND JUDGE, WHEN YOU ALL ARE ON THE BALLOT. AND WHOEVER THE THIRD ONE IS, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

CAGLE. AND IF WE SAY WE DID EVERYBODY ELSE AND NOW WE HAVE THE POOR PEOPLE'S FUND. I AM GONNA FIGHT IT. IF I AM NOT HERE WHOEVER

SUCCEEDS ME, I HOPE THEY FIGHT IT. >> COMMISSIONER ELLIS, IF I MAY JUST TO RESPOND QUICKLY, THE APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE THAT WE ARE STILL WAITING ON AN ANSWER FROM THE GLO INCLUDES $500 MILLION BETWEEN GREENS AND HALLS WATER SHED.

THE HUD MONEY ARE THE ONLY MONEY THAT DON'T REQUIRE A STRONG BENEFIT TO COST RIESH -- COST RATIO. WE KNEW THAT BECAUSE THE DEPRESSED AREAS WILL NOT BE WELL SUITED AND COMPETE WELL FOR FEMA MONEY OR FOR CORE DOLLARS THAT RELY HEAVILY ON THE COST RATIO. THAT'S WHY THE AREAS WERE AGAIN EARMARKED, IF YOU WILL FOR THE HAD YOU HAD PROGRAM. WE HAVE OUR $500 MILLION. IF THE GLO COMES BACK AND MAKES THE AWARDS, IT WILL TURN THE RED AREAS ON THIS MAP CERTAINLY GREEN.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: HERE IS WHAT I WILL -- THEN I WILL STOP. >> LINA HIDALGO: YES.

I DO WANT TO MOVE TO COMMISSIONER GARCIA. >> RODNEY ELLIS: RUSS, DO YOU AGREE IF WE DON'T HAVE A STRATEGY ON HOW WE TARGET OUR FUNDS ON THOSE PROJECTS, THE RED AREAS, WE WILL ONLY BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT THAT'S THE FEDERAL AND STATE

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GOVERNMENT CHOOSE WHICH GOES AGAINST OUR EQUITY LIMIT. IS THAT TRUE?

>> COMMISSIONER WE HAVE 100 MILLION IN THE APPLICATIONS WITH GLO AS OUR LOCAL MATCH. WE ARE USING AROUND 80 MILLION OF THAT WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM WE CAN USE BEFORE WE EXHAUST OUR ABILITY OF CALLING OURSELVES PARTNERS.

WE ARE NOT WAITING IN THE RED AREAS. WE ARE ACTUALLY ACQUIRING RIGHTS OF WAY THAT'S BECOME AVAILABLE. WE ARE ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY AND LOOKING AT UTILITIES AND COMING UP WITH DESIGNS FOR THE PROJECTS.

I DON'T WANT FOLKS TO THINK WE ARE NOT PROGRESSING. WE ACTUALLY ARE PROGRESSING WHICH MAKES IT MORE QUICK TO IMPLEMENT WHEN WE DO HEAR SOMETHING FROM THE GLO.

WE HAVE THE PROJECTS ADVANCED. WE ARE MAKING PROGRESS WITH THE LOCAL FUNDS.

ABSOLUTELY. >> RODNEY ELLIS: I WILL STOP -- I WILL BE PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION AT THE END TO ASK YOU TO COME BACK WITH A STRATEGY SO THAT A YEAR FROM NOW OR TWO YEARS FROM NOW YOU DON'T COME BACK WITH THIS SAME RED MAP WITH THESE LOW PERCENTAGES.

HYPERS TEGS. HIGH PERCENTAGES. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER GARCIA? COMMISSIONER, YOU ARE ON MUTE.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: THANK YOU, JUDGE. COMMISSIONER ELLIS, JUST TO FOLLOW YOUR LINE OF CONVERSATION, RUSS I'M LOOKING AT YOUR TIMELINE ON THE FLOOD CONTROL WEBSITE FOR THE CDGB MITIGATION. AND I THINK IT IS PAGE 4 OF THE PRESENTATION AND YOU DO HAVE A MILESTONE FROM FEBRUARY 9TH, 2018.

PRESIDENT TRUMP SIGNS THE BIPARTISAN BUDGET ACT OF 2018 APPROPRIATING $89 BILLION, $89.3 BILLION OVERALL. 28BILLION TO HUD AND CDBG MITIGATION OF WHICH 5.035 BILLION IS TO TEXAS. AM I HEARING YOU CLEARLY THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED APPLICATIONS TO THE STATE FOR THAT 5 BILLION THAT WAS APPROPRIATED IN FEBRUARY OF 2018 AND NOW OVER FOUR YEARS AGO AND WE HAVE GOTTEN ZERO? IS THAT ACCURATE?

>> WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATIONS TOTALING $9 MILLION LAST YEAR.

WE HEARD A FEW LOCATIONS AND THEY HAD RFI, REQUEST FOR INFORMATION, TO THE APPLICATIONS, BUT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED WORD AS TO HOW MUCH WE WILL BE AWARDED.

WE ARE DEBATING ON THAT. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: I WOULD IMAGINE IF YOU TAKE FOUR YEARS TO ANSWER A QUESTION YOU WOULD COME UP WITH SOME PRETTY GOOD QUESTIONS.

4* I JUST HOPE WE WON'T HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER FOUR YEARS TO GET AN ANSWER.

AND I DO ALSO HAVE A MOTION AND I THINK IT WILL BE ALONG THE SAME LINES OF COMMISSIONER ELLIS. MY MOTION WOULD READ TO DIRECT THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT TO WORK WITH BUDGET MANAGEMENT IN DEVELOPING A PLAN BY JUNE 30TH TO ADDRESS THE FUNDING GAP IN FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECTS UNDER THE 2018 BOND INCLUDING PLANS TO LOBBY FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL PARTNERS FOR FUNDING AND IDENTIFYING ALTERNATIVE FUNDING OPTIONS. AND SO THAT WOULD BE A MOTION THAT I WOULD SUBMIT, JUDGE, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IS -- I THINK THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT.

WE HAVE A MAJOR GAP AND I THINK THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME DIRECTION AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THIS. WE OBVIOUSLY CAN'T CONTINUE TO DO WORK THAT HAS NO BACK END FUNDING. QULIVE -- I THINK WE NEED TO

ALLOW THOSE FOLKS TO BRING US SOME SUGGESTIONS. >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE, I WOULD BE GLAD TO SECOND IT. MAYBE THERE IS LANGUAGE OTHERS WANT TO ADD.

COMMISSIONER, WHETHER IT IS PART OF THIS ONE OR A SEPARATE ONE, I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THIS LANGUAGE. I WILL SEND IT AROUND. FURTHER IF THE COUNTY SUN ABLE TO SECURE FUNDING TO COMPLETE ALL PROPOSED PROJECTS, THE PLAN SHOULD ADDRESS HOW THE COUNTY SHOULD PRIORITIZE THE INVESTMENT OF RESOURCES FOR EQUITABLE FRAMEWORK WHETHER

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ADOPTED BY THE COUNTY. WHETHER IT IS SEPARATE OR PART OF YOURS, THERE IS OTHER

LANGUAGE. >> I WILL ACCEPT THAT. WE'LL WORK -- I'LL HAVE OUR

OFFICES WORK TO MAKE SURE JAMES GETS THE RIGHT ONE. >> IT WOULD COME BACK TO US.

OBVIOUSLY ANY PLAN THEY HAVE WOULD COME BACK. >> RODNEY ELLIS: I ACCEPT THAT

AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER CAGLE.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. I HAVE BEEN VERY PATIENT.

NOT JUMPING IN WITH MY COLLEAGUES. HOPEFULLY THEY WILL EXTEND THE SAME PATIENCE THIS TIME. RUSS, HAVE -- HAD WE OR HAD WE NOT PUT ON THE BOOKS THE EXPENDITURE OF ROUGHLY 900 MILLION THAT WE ARE NOT EXPECTING PARTNERSHIP FUNDS TO COME ON? THE ISSUE RAISED BY MY COLLEAGUE WHICH WAS THE ISSUE THAT YOU RAISED WITH US ALL BEFORE OF HAVING TO HAVE THE MATCH TO BE THAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT APPROACH WAS SOMETHING WE WERE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT.

HAVE WE OR HAVE WE NOT POSTED THE GOAL OF 900 MILLION AND NOT REQUIRING A FEDERAL

MATCH? >> I GUESS I WOULD BE CAREFUL WITH HOW I RESPOND TO THAT.

THERE ARE A COUPLE THINGS COMMISSIONER ELLIS BROUGHT UP.

GOING BACK TO MY AUGUST 16TH 2018 LETTER TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT THAT PRESENTED THE BOND PROGRAM. AND IT IS SUMMARIZED AS FOLLOWS: 1.74 BILLION IN PROJECTS FUNDED ONLY PR THE BOND PROCEEDS. 872MILLION IN MATCHING FUNDS THAT WE WOULD THEN USE TO LEVERAGE -- AT THAT TIME WE WERE HOPING FOR 2.3, 2.4 BILLION IN ADDITIONAL PARTNERSHIP FUNDS. 500MILLION IN CONTINGENCY AND $10 MILLION TOWARD A BOND ADD -- ADMINISTRATION PROGRAM.

THAT'S WHAT WAS IN THE COURT LETTER IN AUGUST OF 18. >> R. JACK CAGLE: SO I GOT IT BACKWARDS. IT IS 900 MILLION THAT WE ARE GOING TO MATCH.

THE REST WAS FOR NONMATCHING FUNDS. >> THAT WAS OUR BEST GUESS AT THAT TIME KNOWING WHAT WE KNEW THEN. HINDSIGHT IS ALWAYS 2020.

THAT'S WHAT WE DID BACK THEN. >> SO IN TERMS OF GOING FORWARD WITH PROJECTS TO WHERE WE WERE NOT HAVING TO DO THAT FEDERAL RETURN ON INVESTMENT 1.7 WENT TO PROJECT THAT'S WE DID NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THAT APPROACH. OKAY.

NUMBER TWO. WE HAD HOW MANY WATER SHED MEETINGS?

>> LEADING UP TO THE BOND ELECTION WE HELD AT LEAST ONE MEETING IN EVERY WATER SHED.

AND THERE WERE MULTIPLE COMMUNITY SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WE SUPPORTED AS WELL. THERE WERE WELL OVER TWO DOZEN MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD WITHIN

ALL OF OUR WATER SHEDS. >> THAT WAS A TRICK. I KNEW WE HAD AT LEAST 24 OR

25 MEETINGS ON THE 22 WATER SHEDS. >> THAT'S CORRECT.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: AND SOME WATER SHEDS GOT TWO MEETINGS. I WENT INTO SOME MEETINGS IN IN PRECINCT 2 THAT WERE FURTHER DOWN. IT MAY HAVE BEEN HALLS.

IT MAY HAVE BEEN GREENS. THERE WERE A NUMBER OF WATER SHEDS THAT FLOW THROUGH THE PRECINCTS. I ATTENDED AT LEAST I THINK 12 TO 14 OF THOSE AND SPOKE AND UH -- AND ATTENDED OTHERS ALONG THE WAY. IN THOSE WATER SHED MEETINGS WE LAID OUT TABLES. AT THOSE TABLES WE DESCRIBE WHAT WERE THE POTENTIAL PROJECTS THAT IF THE BOND WAS APPROVED WOULD BE DONE AT EACH ONE OF THOSE WATER SHEDS.

IS THAT CORRECT? >> THAT'S CORRECT AND WITH REGARD TO THE WATER SHEDS WHICH INCLUDES THESE IN MAP -- THE MAP ON PAGE 16, WE GOT THE BUY IN FROM THE PUBLIC WITH REGARD TO THOSE PROPOSED PROJECTS. DOES THAT MATCH 16? DOES THAT MATCH 16 REFLECT WHAT WE PUT INTO THOSE 22, 24 WATER SHED MEETINGS IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE PUBLIC AS TO WHAT WE WOULD DO?

>> WE PRESENTED THE BOND PROJECT TO MR. BERRY'S OFFICE.

MAYBE ADDRESS TO HIM AND I CAN FOLLOW-UP IF NEEDED. >> YES.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: ARE WE ON TRACK IN THOSE 24, 25 BONDS -- THE PRE-BOND MEETINGS AS TO

WHAT WE WOULD DO IN THE WATER SHEDS? >> YES.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOCATION AND NEED.

AND THERE ARE WATER SHEDS WITH PORTIONS WITH GREAT NEED. THERE ARE OTHER WATER SHEDS THAT HAVE PORTIONS WITH NO NEED. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT?

>> I WOULD SAY ALL OF OUR WATER SHEDS HAVE NEEDS AND SOME ARE GREATER THAN OTHERS.

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YES. WITH REGARD TO WHERE ARE THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE DONE -- I AM TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND THIS PAGE 16 MAP. ARE WE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE WORST AND THE FIRST -- IN OTHER WORDS, THERE ARE SOME PROJECT THAT'S ARE EXTENSIVE, BUT THEY MAY NOT HELP AS MANY PEOPLE GET OUT OF THE WATER AS OTHERS GET OUT OF WATER.

I KNOW WE HAVE DSCI IN THERE. ARE WE TRYING TO ADDRESS THE WORST FIRST CRITERIA WHERE THOSE WHO ARE AT RISK AS CONGRESS PERSON SHEILA JACKSON LEE CAME AND TESTIFIED TO US, THE ONE THAT'S FLOOD THE MOST OFTEN AND FLOOD THE MOST WHEN THEY FLOOD, ARE WE PRY YOUR

TAU RISING THOSE? >> THE WORST FIRST IS ONE OF THE HIGHEST RANKING ONES.

YES, SIR. >> LINA HIDALGO: WORST FIRST OF THE ENTIRE THING, RUSS.

DON'T MESS WITH ME ON THIS AGAIN. THE ENTIRE THING IS WORST FIRST. IT IS A WORST FIRST THING. SORRY.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: NEXT QUESTION IS WITH REGARD TO THOSE TWO PRONG JECTS, WOULD YOU SHRILL -- PROJECTS, WOULD YOU REPHRASE THAT, THE 500 MILLION WE ARE WAITING, WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE? AND THAT IS FOR HALLS AND GREENS?

>> WE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE APPLICATION THAT'S INCLUDES PROJECTS IN THE BAYOU WATER SHED BECAUSE THEY SCORED WELL. THE APPLICATIONS WE HAVE SUBMITTED, $220 MILLION IN HALLS AND $240 MILLION IN GREENS.

CLOSE TO, 465 MILLION RIGHT NOW IS WHAT'S IN THOSE TWO WATER SHEDS WITHIN THE GLO

RIGHT NOW. >> AND WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE WE GET THE MATCHING TO COME INTO BEARING. NEXT OBSERVATION.

THE RED LINE GOES UP THROUGH KING WOOD AND HUMBLE AND AND ALL -- ALBINE AND THOSE COMMUNITIES SERVED BY FOLKS OF MANY DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS AND VERY ECONOMIC CAPACITIES.

I WOULD CONTEND ESPECIALLY WITH THE SAN HUH SIN TAU -- SAN HACINTA RIVER THAT IS CROSSING IN THE ZONE THERE THAT WE HAVE MANY FOLKS WITH MANY TYPES AND BACKGROUNDS AND ZONES JUST LIKE OUR COUNTY IS VERY DIVERSE, WE HAVE A VERY DIVERSE IMPACT ON THIS.

AND SO I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CONCERNS US ALL.

LAST COMMENT. I THINK I SAID IT FROM THIS TABLE.

I KNOW I SAID IT PUBLICLY. WHEN COMMISSIONER ELLIS MAKES REFERENCE TO SOMEONE ADVOCATING FOR THE 10 MILLION. THAT WAS ME.

I ARGUED WE SHOULD GO TO THE PUBLIC AND ASK AT THAT TIME FOR A $10 BILLION BOND TO BE SPREAD OUT OVER 10 YEARS. NOT NECESSARILY SPENT UP FRONT, BUT TO HAVE THAT ALLOCATION OVER THE 10 YEARS. I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.

I WAS OUT VOTED, OBVIOUSLY. WE WENT WITH THE COMPROMISE THAT COMMISSIONER ELLIS REFERENCED ON THE 2.5. I DID AND I DO THINK THAT 10 BILLION WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT ESPECIALLY ALLOWING US TO TAP INTO THOSE MATCHING FUNDS AND TAP INTO THOSE AREA THAT'S DON'T HAVE A MATCH SO THAT WE CAN DO THE VERY BEST TO SERVE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY BECAUSE THE BEST ESTIMATE AT THAT TIME WAS THAT IT WAS CLOSER TO $30 BILLION IN TERMS OF THE NEED TO HELP -- YOU NEVER CAN SOLVE A WEATHER ISSUE.

BUT IT IS TO GIVE US A STANDING CHANCE TO ADDRESS THE WEATHER ISSUES IN OUR COUNTY.

IS IT STILL A $30 BILLION ESTIMATE IS WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO SUBSTANTIALLY IMPROVE OUR

POSITION WITH REGARD TO THE FLOOD RESILIENCE? >> COMMISSIONER I WOULD SAY IT IS MUCH MORE THAN THAT. THAT $30 BILLION NUMBER WE GENERATED WAS NOT USING THE

ATLAS 14 RAINFALL RATES. >> R. JACK CAGLE: WITH THE ATLAS 14 RAINFALL RATES THAT INCREASED 20, 25% HOW WE DO THINGS ON REGULAR CIP FOR DRAINAGE, IS THAT A -- IF YOU WERE TO -- LET ME TAKE THE PHRASE THE JUDGE SAID SEVERAL TIMES.

IF WE WERE TO SPIT BALL A GUESSTIMATE, WOULD THAT BE 20, 25% MORE THAN WHAT WE WERE

LOOKING AT IN 2018? >> COMMISSIONER, I WOULD SAY RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD BE AS GOOD A GUESS AS ANY. AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING ALL OF OUR WATER SHED MASTER PLAN WITH THE NEW RAINFALL RATE. AND WE SHOULD GET ANSWERS THIS

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YEAR ABOUT WHAT THE NEW NUMBER WOULD BE. >> R. JACK CAGLE: THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR LETTING ME ASK MY QUESTIONS.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER RAMSEY AND THEN AFTER COMMISSIONER RAMSEY I WOULD LIKE TO ASK QUESTIONS AS WELL. GO AHEAD X COMMISSIONER RAMSEY. RAMIREZ

>> TOM RAMSEY: THANK YOU, JUDGE. I WANT TO ADD TO THE MOTION THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PUT OUT THERE, BUT I'LL COME BACK TO THAT.

DAVID, VERY GOOD JOB ON PULLING TOGETHER A FIVE-YEAR CIP THAT WE CAN ALL UNDERSTAND. BECAUSE WE UNDERSTAND, WE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS.

AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DON'T PUT SOMETHING ON THE TABLE AND YOU SAY WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO OR NOT DO, THEN THESE KIND OF THINGS DON'T GET DISCUSSED. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DID.

I THINK I TOLD YOU THAT. I HAVE ONLY BEEN DOING ENGINEERING IN HARRIS COUNTY FOR OVER 40 YEARS. I HAVE WORKED IN A LOT OF THOSE RED AREA THAT'S ARE SHOWN THERE. AND UNFORTUNATELY I HEARD MANY TIMES, "WELL, YOU KNOW, TOM, WE GOTTA LEVERAGE OUR MONEY. WE GOTTA GET FEMA AND WE GOTTA GET CORE MONEY AND LEVERAGE THAT. WE WOULD DO MORE IF WE CAN LEVERAGE." I AM SICK AND TIRED OF THAT EXCUSE. I'VE HEARD IT AT THE CITY OF HOUSTON. NOW I'M HEARING IT AT THE COUNTY.

WHAT WE COMMITTED TO DO ON THAT BOND ISSUE, WHAT WE TOLD IN 22 PUBLIC MEETINGS, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GONNA DO. IF WE HAVE TO GO BEG, BORROW OR STEAL, WE ARE GONNA DO EVERY BLESSED PROJECT THAT WE SAID WE WERE GONNA DO IN EVERY PART OF THE COUNTY.

RED SIDE, GREEN SIDE, YELLOW SIDE, WE'RE GONNA DO IT. I DON'T HEAR A LACK OF COMMITMENT. I HEAR WE ARE ON TRACK WITH THE PLAN.

IF WE NEED A PLAN B, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. IF WE NEED A PLAN C, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. I HAVE SEEN COMMISSIONER GARCIA, SEEN COMMISSIONER ELLIS, COMMISSIONER CAGLE, SEEN THE JUDGE ENGAGE PEOPLE ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY.

NO ONE HAS ASKED ME TO ENGAGE ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY TO GO AND TRY TO FIND PARTNERS ON THESE PROJECTS. IT IS HIGH TIME WE DID THAT. SO IN THE MOTION, WE NEED TO INCLUDE EVERYBODY ON THE COURT TO GO OUT THERE AND CLOSE THE GAP, DO WHAT WE SEED WE WERE GONNA DO -- WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GONNA DO AND ADDRESS THE 2018 BOND ISSUE.

THIS IS WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE. I HAVE UNFORTUNATELY PARTICIPATED IN A COUPLE OF CITY OF HOUSTON CIP NEEDS IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO.

HERE IS WHAT IS TYPICALLY SAID. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A CIP.

WE WERE WELL INTENDED TO DO THE THAT CIP, BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT.

IF WE DON'T DO WHAT WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO, SHAME ON ALL OF US.

WE WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET ANOTHER BOND ISSUE PASSED ON ANYTHING.

DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT THE BOND ISSUE. OUR CREDIBILITY IS ON THE LINE AND IN TERMS OF THE COMMITMENTS THAT -- I AGREE THAT WE NEED A -- I THINK WE NEED TO BE REAL CLEAR THAT THERE IS A DAY AND IT IS IN JUNE.

I WANT A PLAN AND NOT JUST, WELL, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IT.

IF WE DON'T GET THE MONEY FROM THE FEDS OR WE DON'T GET THE MONEY FROM THE STATE THEN WE ARE GOING TO FIGURE OUT OUR OWN RESOURCES. THE MESSAGE IS WE ARE GOING TO DO THE PROJECTS WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO IN 2018. THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO VOTE

FOR. >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER RAMSEY.

RUSS, I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS AND I AGREE WITH WHAT FOLKS HAVE SAID.

ONE IS THE PRIORITIZATION FRAMEWORK WAS DESIGNED TO GIVE PRIORITY TO THE WORST FIRST.

I KNOW ONE FACTOR IS WHERE THERE IS MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED.

AND THEN TO WHERE THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE IT IS WORSE AND WHERE IT WILL REDUCE THE FLOOD OF THE -- IT IS WORST FIRST AND HELPING PEOPLE WHO SUFFER IS THE WORST FIRST.

I REALLY THOUGHT WE WOULD CROSS THIS BRIDGE TWO YEARS AGO.

THE POINT IS THE PRIORITIZATION FRAMEWORK WAS LAID OUT TO PRIORITIZE WORST FIRST. WITH THE CURRENT SITUATION AND WITH THE FUNDING NEEDS ARE

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THERE ANY PROJECTS STALLED TO WHERE THEY ARE NOT FOLLOWING THE TIMELINE LAID OUT BY THAT PRIORITIZATION FRAMEWORK? EACH QUARTILE HAD A DATE WHEN THEY WOULD START BY AND WHEN THEY WOULD END BY. ARE THERE ANY PROJECT THAT'S ARE BEHIND THEIR QUARTILE

DATES? >> JUDGE, WE ARE STILL MAKING PROGRESS.

>> LINA HIDALGO: SO RIGHT NOW -- AND WHEN DO YOU THINK PROJECTS WILL START TO BE

STALLED RELATIVE TO THE QUARTILE TIMELINES? >> IT IS SAFE TO SAY WE HAVE THE END OF THE YEAR BEFORE WE HAVE TO MAKE MORE DIFFICULT DECISIONS.

AND THE ISSUE WITH THE END OF THE YEAR IS IT IS TOO SOON BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF THE EXISTING FUNDS, THE TOLL ROAD FUNDS, ARE GOING TO COVER WHERE NO PROJECT IS STALLED.

I IMAGINE THEY ARE IN THE RED AREAS. MY SECOND AND FINAL

QUESTION -- >> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE BEFORE YOU MOVE ON, I CAN HELP YOUR LAST QUESTION. CAN WE GET A MAP THAT SHOWS HOW WE ARE PROGRESSING ALONG THE QUARTILE? I THINK YOU ASKED THE QUESTION THAT WAS ON MY MIND THAT I DIDN'T QUITE ARTICULATE. ARE WE ON TRACK DISM -- TRACK? THAT WAS YOUR QUESTION AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A MAP THAT SHOWS THAT REFLECTION OF WHAT

YOU ASKED. >> YEAH AND I WILL PUT THAT IN THE MOTION, COMMISSIONER CAGLE. I HAVE A DRAFTED MOTION COMBINING WHAT YOU ALL SAID AND IT INCLUDES THAT AND I WILL READ IT IN A SECOND TO SEE.

I THINK IT HAS BEEN CIRCULATED AS WELL. >> R. JACK CAGLE: THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION, JUDGE. THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GOING. AND MAYBE THIS IS OBVIOUS TO EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT WHY IS IT THAT THESE -- IT IS THE SAN JACINTA RIVER, WHY ARE THOSE THE ONES THAT ARE UNDER FUNDED. I THOUGHT SINCE THE BULK OF THE BOND MONEY WAS SUPPOSED TO GO TO THE PROJECT THAT'S WERE NOT GONNA RECEIVE THE FEDERAL FUNDING. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY DID NOT MEET THE COST BENEFIT RATIO.

AND THE BOND MONEY IS THE MONEY THAT WE DO HAVE. THAT'S NOT THE MONEY WE ARE WAITING ON. SO WHY ARE THESE THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LACKING FUNDING?

>> AGAIN FOR HALLS AND GREENS WE KNEW WE WERE GETTING HUD MONEY.

IF WE LOOKED AT BALANCING THE ENTIRE PORTFOLIO WE KNEW THOSE WATER SHEDS WOULD SCORE THE BEST AND BE THE MOST COMPETITIVE IN BRINGING MONEY TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

THAT'S PART OF THE REASON -- WE DO HAVE $100 MILLION IN LOCAL FUNDS WE ARE USING NOW, JUDGE, TO MAKE PROGRESS ON THESE. THAT WAS SOME OF THE THOUGHT PROCESS. AS FAR AS SAN JACINTO, IT IS A HUGE WATER SHED THAT GOES TO MULTIPLE OTHER COUNTIES. THE THOUGHT IS THERE THAT BECAUSE IT TOUCHES OTHER COUNTIES, IF THOSE OTHER COUNTIES NEED A PART IN HELPING US EXECUTE PROJECTS IN

THE VERY LARGE WATER SHED. >> SO HALLS AND GREENS WE THOUGHT WE WOULD GET THE BILLION DOLLARS AND SO WE FIGURED THEY ARE THE MOST COMPETITIVE.

AND SO INSTEAD OF PUTTING A LOT OF THE BOND DOLLARS TOWARD THEM WE SAID LET'S JUST PAY THE HUD DOLLARS TO THOSE TWO PROJECTS DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE NEVER GOT IT IN WRITING THAT WE WERE GOING TO GET THE BILLION DOLLARS. AND SO NOW WE ARE NOT GONNA

GET THE BILLION DOLLARS AND SO THEY ARE BEHIND? >> THAT IS THE THOUGHT

PROCESS. >> LINA HIDALGO: SO THEN LET ME JUST PRE THE MOTION TO SEE IF THIS IS -- AND WE CAN SEND IT AROUND. WHAT I HAVE HERE AND IT COMBINES WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SAID IS THE MOTION TO DIRECT THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT TO WORK WITH BUDGET MANAGEMENT IN DEVELOPING A PLAN BY JUNE 30TH, 2021 TO ADDRESS THE FUNDING GAP IN FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECTS UNDER THE 2018 BONDS WHILE MAINTAINING AN EQUITABLE APPROACH TO THE EXPENDITURE OF FUNDS. INCLUDING PLANS TO LOBBY FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL PARTNERS FOR FUNDING, IDENTIFICATION OF ALTERNATIVE OPTIONS, A DESCRIPTION OF PROJECT THAT'S ARE CURRENTLY STALLED DUE TO INCOMPLETE FUNDING AND HOW IT AFFECTS TIMING OF PROJECT COMPLETION AND A POTENTIAL TIMELINE FOR A FUTURE POTENTIAL BOND ELECTION REGARDING THE FUNDING OF CURRENT AND FUTURE FLOOD CONTROL PROJECTS. THE PLAN SHOULD ADDRESS HOW THE COUNTY SHOULD PRIORITIZE THE INVESTMENT OF EXISTING RESOURCES TO ENSURE EQUITABLE FLOOD PROTECTION AND ADOPT THE

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FRAMEWORK IN HARRIS COUNTY WE NEED A PLAN BY JUNE 30TH. THE PLAN NEEDS TO FOLLOW THE PRIORITIZATION FRAMEWORK, AND WE NEED A TIME -- TIMELINE THAT SHOWS US WHAT'S BEHIND AND WHAT'S NOT BEHIND COMMISSIONER CAGLE'S POINT. AND FINALLY WE'VE BEEN TALKING FOR MANY MONTHS AND MAYBE YEARS AT THIS POINT, ABOUT HOW WE WILL NEED ANOTHER BOND ELECTION. NOT JUST FOR -- THIS, MAYBE. BUT HOPEFULLY WE CAN COVER IT WITH TOLL ROAD AND PARTNERSHIP. EITHER WAY WE ARE GOING TO NEED ONE. THAT NEEDS TO BE PUT ON THE SCHEDULE.

WE CAN'T JUST TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT. WE HAVE TO DO IT AT SOME

POINT. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: JUDGE I SUPPORT THAT MOTION.

I I WILL MAKE IT ON YOUR BEHALF. >> RODNEY ELLIS: AND JUDGE I DO WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT DOES -- DOES YOUR LANGUAGE -- I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT DOES IT INCLUDE HAVING THE COUNTY ASSUME IT WHERE UNABLE TO SECURE FEDERAL AND STATE MONEY? WE KNOW TO THIS POINT WE HAVEN'T BEEN. I THINK YOU USED THE PHRASE WE HAVE BEEN CHASING FEDERAL MONEY. WE DIDN'T PUT MORE OF OUR MONEY INTO SOME OF THOSE LMI AREAS BECAUSE OF THE ASSUMPTION THAT WE WOULD GET HUD MONEY THAT WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN AND MAY NOT GET, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT LANGUAGE INCLUDES A -- IF WE ARE UNABLE TO COMPLETE ALL PROPOSED PROJECTS IT TALKS ABOUT HOW IT WILL PRIORITIZE THE INVESTMENT OF EXISTING RESOURCES TO ENSURE EQUITABLE FLOOD PROTECTION? THE REASON IS I DON'T WANT US TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE DON'T GET THE FEDERAL MONEY, THE HUD MONEY AND LEFT IS SAN JACINTO AND GREENS AND HALLS BECAUSE IT SETS THEM UP FOR FAILURE. I MIGHT ADD THE REFERENCE TO SAN JACINTO, WE TAKE SOME OF THIS MONEY AND WE GO TO MONTGOMERY COUNTY AND YOU UNLEASHED IT AND YOU MAY ADOPT ATLAS 14. THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT YET. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVEN'T SET OURSES UP WHEN WE GO BACK TO THE BALLOT AND THE SAME SPEECH THAT -- THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY, THAT YOU GAVE PEOPLE ARE GIVING AND SAYING THAT WE WERE CHASING FEDERAL AND STATE DOLLARS AND CITY DOLLARS, MIGHT I ADD. THEY DON'T HAVE EQUITY OUTLINES WITH ALL DUE RESPECT. I SHOULD POINT THAT OUT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: ALE A ADD IT -- I'LL ADD THAT IN. IF THE COUNTY IS UNABLE TO SECURE ALL FUNDED PROJECTS THEY SHOULD ADDRESS HOW THE COUNTY SHOULD PRIORITIZE RESOURCES TO FLOOD PROTECTION AND COMPLY WITH THE PRIORITIZATION --

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: I WILL SUPPORT THAT. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER

CAGLE? >> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE, THIS GOES TO A COMMENT THAT BOTH YOU MADE AND THAT COMMISSIONER ELLIS MADE, AND IT IS TO THE RELATED TO THE MOTION EXACTLY JUST PANDENTIALLY. HOW LONG DO WE WAIT TO SEE IF WE GET THE HUD FUNDING? THAT IS HALF A BILLION DOLLARS. I HATE TO LOSE A HALF A BILLION DOLLARS. THAT COULD HELP US DO OTHER PROJECT THAT'S MAY ALSO BE IN DIRE NEED HOW CLOSE ARE WE GETTING TO THAT HALF A BILLION? HOW FAR ARE WE FROM GETTING THE HALF A BILLION AND HOW LONG DO WE WAIT?

>> RODNEY ELLIS: UNDER THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT CHANGES, BUT COMMISSIONER CAGLE, YOU RAISE A VALID POINT. BUT IT IS WHAT WE HAVE DONE AS A REGION FOR 30 YEARS. COMMISSIONER RAMSEY LAID IT OUT BETTER THAN I COULD.

IT IS ALWAYS YOU WAIT. WE WILL GET SOME FEDERAL MONEY.

WE ARE GONNA GET SOME STATE MONEY. IT NEVER CAME.

I ASSURE YOU THIS LITTLE CHART SHOWS THE AREAS IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND EVEN IF THEY ARE NOT ON THIS LIST, WE GOT -- UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE MORE LMI THAT WE CARE TO HAVE. IF THOSE DON'T MAKE IT WE GO TO THE CITY AND SAY WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE WATER TO US. WE CAN DO ALL OF THESE WATER SHEDS, BUT IF THEY DON'T GET IT OUT OF THE DRAIN TO US, I DON'T THINK WE CAN JUST KEEP

WAITING BECAUSE IT HADN'T COME, CACTUS. >> R. JACK CAGLE: THAT'S MY QUESTION. HOW LONG DO WE WAIT AND WHAT KIND OF ANALYSIS DO WE DO WITH REGARD TO THAT? WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE A HALF A BILLION.

THAT'S SIGNIFICANT. ON THE OTHER HAND WE DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH TOO MANY

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MORE STORM SEASONS AND HAVE THOSE FOLKS BEING LEFT EXPOSED.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: WHEN LBJ CREATED HUD -- >> LINA HIDALGO: THE CHALLENGE IS WE NEED TO GET THAT CLEARLY. TO SAY, OKAY, THIS GREENS BAYOU PROJECT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE UNDER CONSTRUCTION BY DECEMBER OF 2021.

IF WE WAIT ON HUD IT IS ABOUT TO BE DELAYED OR WE NEED TO PUT TOLL DOLLARS RIGHT NOW AND WE CAN MAKE A DECISION. WHAT I THINK IS A PROBLEM IS WE ALL VOTED ON A PRIORITIZATION SCHEDULE. AND WE HAVE BEEN -- YOU ALL VOTED -- WE ALL AGREED ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE -- THAT ARE GOING TO FALL INTO THE SCHEDULE.

THE SCHEDULE CAN'T CHANGE WITHOUT US BEING OKAY WITH IT.

WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS OUR HAND IS BEING FORCED BECAUSE IF WE KNEW WE WERE RUNNING OUT OF MONEY, WE WOULD HAVE DONE A BOND LAST YEAR. THAT'S MY CONCERN.

AND SO I BRING THIS UP BECAUSE WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE PARADIGM.

I MEAN, THIS REMINDS ME OF WHEN I CAME INTO OFFICE AND I SAID WAIT A SECOND WHAT IS THE DEAL WITH ASTRIA AND WHAT WILL $4 MILLION GET US? IT GETS AS YOU BUILDING WITH NO AIR CONDITIONING AND THE WALLS AREN'T FINISHED AND YOU CAN'T ACTUALLY HOLD EVENTS.

IT IS LIKE WE ARE JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON THIS TOO.

IT IS LIKE WE HAVE THIS BIG CELEBRATION THAT WE PASSED THE BOND AND HAVE A SCHEDULE AND A PRIORITIZATION FRAMEWORK. ACTUALLY WHEN YOU DO THE MATH, OF COURSE THERE IS MORE DEMAND AND THE PRICE WILL GO UP. WE DIDN'T GET ANYTHING IN WRITING SO IT IS NO SURPRISE HUD IS NOT GONNA GIVE US THE BILLION DOLLARS THEY PROMISED.

IN ADDITION TO THAT THE PARTNERS OF FUNDING WE HAVE KNOWN FOR AWHILE WILL ADD UP AND WE CAN'T JUST WAIT UNTIL IT ALL BLOWS UP BEFORE WE DEAL WITH IT.

AND I HOPE THAT IT IS EARLY ENOUGH. I AM GLAD WE ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. AND I AM GLAD FOR THE MOTION AND GLAD THAT, DAVE, YOU ARE THINKING OF IT STRATEGICALLY. BUT IT IS NOT JUST A BUDGET ISSUE.

THIS IS A STRATEGIC THINKING ISSUE. RUSS, THE STRIKE THAT JIBING THINKING -- STRATEGIC THINKING NEEDS TO BE UP REAL QUICK. WE NEED THE TOUGH CONVERSATIONS. WE DON'T JUST NEED YOU SAYING YES TO EVERYTHING AND THEN DROPPING THIS KIND OF THING. WE HAVE TO DO IT ON TIME. COMMISSIONER GARCIA?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: THANK YOU, JUDGE. TO THAT END, RUSS, IF YOU COULD UPDATE THIS BY ADDING A LINE THAT GOES ACROSS ACROSS THE TOP THAT SAYS STILL WAITING. I WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR CONSTITUANTS KNOW THAT WE HAVE TRIED. THE STATE HAS $5 BILLION. IT IS BEING SPENT SOMEWHERE.

BUT IT IS NOT BEING SPENT IN HARRIS COUNTY. IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE CONTINUING TO PUT OUR CONSTITUENTS IN HARM'S WAY WE ARE FORTUNATE WE HAVEN'T HAD ANOTHER MAJOR EVENT LIKE HARVEY. IMELDA GOT REAL CLOSE AND IT WAS JUST PAINFUL. I WANT TO REMIND US TO HEAR PEOPLE WHO FLOODED UNDER HARVEY AND THEN FLOODED AGAIN UNDER IMELDA. WE JUST CAN'T BE HAVING THAT.

THAT WAS IN THE CROSBY AREA THAT COMMISSIONER CAGLE AND I SHARE.

I SUPPORT THE ADJUSTMENT, BUT I WANT TO BE REAL CLEAR THAT WE WILL HAVE -- WE HAVE OUR DIFFERENCES WITH OUR PARTNERS NO MATTER WHO THEY MAY BE, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE ARE NOT SAYING WORK WITH ME COMMISSIONER GARCIA OR RAMSEY OR CAGLE OR ELLIS OR JUDGE HIDALGO. WE ARE SAYING PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY TO SERVE TEXAS CON SITH WENT AND DESERVE ACCESS TO THE RESOURCES, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN WELL-CRAFTED BY

THE HARRIS COUNTY FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: JUDGE I WANT TO SAY ON THE LOBBYING SIDE, OBVIOUSLY COMMISSIONER CAGLE AND COMMISSIONER RAMSEY COULD POSSIBLY HAVE MORE SWAY THAN WE WOULD HAVE WITH OUR STATE PARTNERS ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL. WE HAVE BEEN TRYING AND WE WILL TRY AGAIN.

I GUESS WE CAN TRY AND ASSUME SOME PEOPLE. FEDERAL EARMARKS ARE BACK YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH A LOT OF HOOPS. BUT THERE WERE EARMARKS IN THE PACKAGE THAT THE HOUSE IS GOING TO VOTE ON TODAY OR TOMORROW.

IT WAS INTERESTING, DARE BERRY, ON -- DAVE BERRY, ON THE ORANGE ONE, SIMMS BAYOU

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WOULD BE THE OTHER ONE THAT GETS THE LEASE, CORRECT? THE 50% UNFUNDED?

>> YES, THAT'S RIGHT. >> RODNEY ELLIS: AND I WANT TO STRESS THAT WAS EARMARKED.

THE ONLY WAY SIMMS BAYOU EVER GOT DONE WHICH WAS THE GREENS AND HALLS AND SAN JACINTO OF ITS DAY, WAS AN EARMARK GOING BACK TO WHEN ANDREWS WHAT IS IN CONGRESS.

IT DIDN'T GO THROUGH HUD OR LMI. IT WAS OLD SCHOOL EARMARK WHEN IT WAS CHOCOLATE BAYOU, BY THE WAY. THAT WAS MAINLY IN PRECINCT ONE. I SEE THE MOTION AND I AM PROUD TO SECOND IT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: TO CLARIFY THE MOTION IS TO DIRECT THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT TO WORK WITH BUDGET MANAGEMENT IN DEVELOPING A PLAN BY JUNE 30 TO ADDRESS THE FUNDING GAP IN FLOOD MITIGATION PROJECTS UNDER THE 2018 BONDS WHILE MAINTAINING THE PRY YOUR TAU -- MAIN MAINING -- MAINTAINING AN EQUITABLE APPROACH INCLUDING PLANS TO LOBBY FEDERAL, STATE AND LOCAL PARTNERS FOR THE FUNDING -- ALTERNATIVE FUNDING OPTIONS AND A DESCRIPTION OF PROJECTS CURRENTLY STALLED AND COMPLETION AND TIMELINE FOR A FUTURE POTENTIAL ELECTION REGARDING REGARDING CURRENT AND FUTURE PROJECTS THEY SHOULD ADDRESS HOW THEY WILL PRIORITIZE THE EXISTING RESOURCES TO ENSURE EQUITABLE FLOOD PROTECTION AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE PRIORITIZATION FRAME YORK

ADOPTED -- FRAMEWORK ADOPTED BY HARRIS COUNTY. >> LINA HIDALGO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GARCIA AND SECONDED BY ELLIS. JAMES?

ARE YOU GOOD? >> YES. >> LINA HIDALGO: ALL IN

FAVOR? >> I. >> I.

>> I. >> LINA HIDALGO: ANY OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY DISCUSSIONS ON THE REST OF CIP?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: YES. I JUST WANTED -- >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER YOUR COMPUTER WENT ON MUTE IDAHO

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: I DON'T THINK WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON HCTRA AT THIS TIME. MR. BERRY, WILL WE HAVE THAT AS A SEPARATE CONVERSATION? I'M SORRY, COMMISSIONER. RIGHT NOW WE ARE DISCUSSING ALL CIP.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: I MAKE THE MOTION TO DIVIDE HCTRA SURPLUS MOTION TO DIVIDE HCTRA SURPLUS

REVENUE EQUALLY AMONG THE FOUR PRECINCTS. >> SECOND.

>> HOW MUCH IS THAT? I AM JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WHAT AMOUNT WE ARE

TALKING ABOUT, COMMISSIONER. >> GO AHEAD, MR. BERRY. >> AND I COULD USE SOME CLARIFICATION, COMMISSIONER, ON -- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE ANNUAL TRANSFER HERE? THE 160 MILLION. THAT'S BEEN APPROVED IN THE BUDGET.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: NO, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE TRANSFER -- >> I'M SORRY.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: THE 230 WE ARE LOOKING AT. >> RODNEY ELLIS: YOU ARE LOSING ME, COMMISSIONER. SO HCTRA HAS A BILLION DOLLAR -- ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE MONEY I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DIVIDED?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: NO, WE HAVE ALREADY DIVIDED, I GUESS WE CALL IT THE MOBILITY FUNDS.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SURPLUS. >> RODNEY ELLIS: HOW MUCH IS THAT?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: 230 SOME ODD. >> DO YOU MIND IF I CLARIFY?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: SURE. >> LAST YEAR WE MADE A ONE-TIME TRANSFER OF $300 MILLION IN CONNECTION WITH REFINANCING. 70MILLION OF THAT WAS USED TO COMPETE. THERE IS A BALANCE OF APPROXIMATELY 230 MILLION.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: THERE YOU GO. >> A ONE-TIME TRANSFER.

AND I BELIEVE COMMISSIONER GARCIA'S MOTION IS TO TAKE THAT BALANCE AND GO AHEAD AND

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DISTRIBUTE IT. RIGHT NOW I AM SITTING IN THE COUNTY -- RIGHT NOW IT IS IN

THE COUNTY GENERAL FUND. DID I GET IT RIGHT? >> ADRIAN GARCIA: YES, SIR.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: SO -- >> I WAS GOING TO CLARIFY. THE 270 THAT WAS FROM THE ONE TRANSFER OVER. IT WAS ORIGINAL 3 -- ORIGINALLY 300 MILLION AND 70 SPENT ON BONDS. AND THAT'S WHAT WHAT I UNDERSTOOD THE MOTION TO BE

AND THAT'S WHAT I AM SECONDING. >> SO MOVED.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: ROD JUDGE? >> LINA HIDALGO: I AM ALSO BLIND CITED.

THAT'S MONEY THAT CAN BE USED FOR FLOOD CONTROL AND DRAINAGE.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I WAS GOING TO ASK, WHAT CAN IT BE USED FOR? IF WE GOT A $1.4 BILLION HOLE ON THE FLOODING PROJECTS ONE PLACE IT COULD COME FROM IS THE MONEY THE TOLL ROAD HAS, OR I WOULD PREFER WE HAVE SOME EQUITY GUIDELINES ON HOW WE SPEND THIS MONEY, AND MORE WOULD GO IN MINE. WE HAVE THE SAME ISSUE, I THINK OF EQUITY AND WITH TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS. SO I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT WE COULD HOLD IT AND NOT DECIDE NOW AND SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.

LOOK, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE ANOTHER ONE. HOW MUCH WOULD THAT BE?

>> 58 MILLION. >> I CAN TAKE ANOTHER 58 MILLION, BUT IF WE ARE SERIES DOSH -- SERIOUS ABOUT THE EQUITY ISSUES IF WE CAME UP WITH THE EQUITY PRINCIPALS, MUCH TO MY CHAGRIN, MY PRECINCT WAS NOT THE BIGGEST ISSUE.

WHEN I HAD THE MEETING A MONTH AGO, I THINK IT WAS YOURS, BUT I MIGHT BE WRONG.

IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOME OF COMMISSIONER RAMSEY'S. I'M NOT SURE.

LET ME CLARIFY. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: LET ME CLARIFY.

IN THE CONVERSATION WITH FLOOD CONTROL, ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT AREAS WE CAN GET DONE NOW IS TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR LOCAL DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE.

THIS PAST YEAR IN THE PANDEMIC WE WERE ABLE TO DO A MILLION LINEAR FEET AND FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT WAS MAKING SURE IT WAS IN COORDINATION WITH THEM SO WE CAN GET THE WATER OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT TRANSFERRING THE FUNDS WITHOUT A PLAN TOWARD DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT. AND WHILE WE AND IT IS IMPROVING THE LOCAL DRAINAGE SYSTEMS. ONCE THE STATE OR HUD FIGURES OUT THEY WANT TO PARTNER WITH US, WE CAN BE IMPROVING THOSE SYSTEMS SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. I AM COMING FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT WHEN I CAME IN HERE THE LOCAL DRAINAGE PLAN -- I HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE NOT HAD THEIR DRAINAGE SYSTEMS IMPROVED IN 10, 20, SOME CASES 30 YEARS. AND SO NOW THAT WE'VE GOTTEN A MILLION LINEAR FEET DONE DURING THE PANDEMIC, AND WE ARE ON AVERAGE THE PRECINCT HADN'T DONE MORE THAN ABOUT 400,000 ON ANY GIVEN YEAR IT IS FRONTER TO KEEP THE PROCESS UP WHILE WE GET THE PROJECTS DONE. THIS IS THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AND I AM DOING IT IN LINE WITH A FOCUS TOWARD PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY FROM FLOODING. WE CAN'T DEPEND ON THE LOCAL FLOOD PROJECTS ALONE.

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IT WILL IMPROVE ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IF WE DO IT RIGHT.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK MR. BLOUNT, WHERE IS HE ON THE EQUITY. I KNOW HE SECONDED IT SO QUICK. YOU ARE SO NERVOUS.

YOU LIKE TO TELL ME YOU SEE IT IN ADVANCE. YOU JUMPED ON THAT ONE.

YOU ARERD -- YOU ARE READY TO DRINK SOME OF THE TRANSPORTATION MONEY I'M SURE. WHERE ARE WE ON THE EQUITY AND TRANSPORTATION STUDY?

>> YES, COMMISSIONER ELLIS AND COURT MEMBERS, WE ARE STILL WORKING ON IT AND SOME OF YOUR OFFICES HAVE RECEIVED -- THE REST OF YOUR OFFICES WILL RECEIVE AN UPDATE.

THEY ARE ON GOING. I WAS IN ONE WITH PRECINCT 3 YESTERDAY.

IT IS SCHEDULED TO BE COMPLETE LATER THIS SUMMER IN THE JUNE AND JULY TIME FRAME.

EACH PRECINCT AND THE COURT HAS A PRESENTATION OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE STUDY AND WHAT'S

BEEN DONE AND WHERE WE ARE GOING TO BE. >> SO COMMISSIONER GARCIA, I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO WAIT. OBVIOUSLY IF YOU ARE GOING TO SHOVE 50 MILLION EACH PRECINCT I WILL TAKE IT. I CAN SUPPORT IT TODAY AND I AM LOOKING AT THESE FLOODING PROJECTS AND UNLESS THERE IS A RUSH TO DO IT TODAY, WE DON'T HAVE A CLEAR SENSE OF HOW MUCH WE ARE GOING TO GET FROM THE FEDS. I JUST ASK YOU TO HOLD IT AND

HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON IT. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD SUGGEST AND I AM RELUCTANT OF GIVING THIS DIRECTLY TO THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE OF STRATEGY THAT WE HAVE TO CONSIDER AND THAT IS IF WE GIVE THIS STRAIGHT TO THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT WITHOUT IT STILL BEING CONNECTED TO THE TOLL ROAD WE DO NOTHING AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS PROTECTED OR IT WILL BE FREE MONEY TO THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT. I KNOW WE NEED IT, BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP IN MIND THE OBLIGATION ON THE TOLL ROAD SIDE. I THINK PACKAGING IT WITH THE PRECINCTS IS IN IN COORDINATION WITH THE TOLL ROAD SYSTEM.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS -- >> LINA HIDALGO: I AM CURIOUS ABOUT DAVE. I DO FEEL ON THE ONE HAND HE HAS BEEN SO THOUGHTFUL WITH THE -- YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN SO THOUGHTFUL WITH CIP. Y'ALL WERE THOUGHTFUL ON THE HCTRA TRANSFER. EACH PRECINCT GOT MORE THAN THEY NORMALLY GET BECAUSE OF THE HCTRA TRANSFER. AT SOME POINT IF WE START CANNIBAL LIESING FUNDS IT IS A RACE TO THE BOTTOM. I ALSO DON'T THINK IT WILL SERVE US WELL TO STOP THE THOUGHTFUL PLANNING. IF THIS WAS PART OF DAVE'S PLAN, I'M OKAY WITH IT, AND MAYBE I AM JUMPING THE GUN. I AM CURIOUS, DAVE, IF YOU -- NUMBER ONE, WHAT DID YOU EXPECT WAS GOING TO BE THE USE OF THIS 200 MILLION. AND NUMBER TWO, WHY DID YOU DECIDE TO KEEP IT IN THAT POT? WHAT'S YOUR PLAN? UNLESS YOU WERE PLANNING ON DIVIDING IT AMONG THE PRECINCTS.

I CERTAINLY HADN'T HEARD ABOUT THAT. >> JUDGE, I WILL TRY TO TACKLE THAT. CERTAINLY THESE FUNDS ARE UNDER COMMISSIONER'S COURT CONTROL. WE SEE THE ANNUAL MOBILITY TRANSFER AS PART OF THE OPERATING BUDGET [INAUDIBLE]. WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A ONE-TIME TRANSFER WITH THE STRONG LIQUIDITY OF THE TOLL ROAD THAT COULD BE ADDED TO OUR EXISTING EFFORTS.

AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS SORT OF THE ONE-TIME OR BROADER PROBLEMS. SO I THINK WE WERE IMAGINING THAT IS DARK -- THAT IT COULD ADDRESS SPECIFIC AREAS.

I KNOW WE MENTIONED DRAINAGE IS ONE OF THEM. I THINK THAT IS AN AREA.

OR OUR SIDEWALKS AND TRAILS. I THINK WE ARE WAITING FOR DIRECTION ON THIS MONEY SO IT IS GOOD THE CONVERSATION IS THERE. IT DOES SEEM MORE APPROPRIATE TO SOLVE A SPECIFIC PROBLEM THAN BEING A PART OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET.

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THAT'S WHY WE SEPARATED IT OUT. IT WAS A ONE-TIME TRANSFER

RATHER THAN THE ANNUAL. >> LINA HIDALGO: IT IS A FAIR POINT OF COMMISSIONER GARCIA OF WHAT IS THE SPECIFIC PROJECT? I WONDER IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PUSH OFF, AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO BE PASSED WITH THE REST OF THE CIP, DAVE, BUT WHERE YOU CAN PRESENT WHAT YOU PLAN TO DO WITH THIS MONEY THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM A COORDINATED APPROACH AS OPPOSED TO A DECENTRALIZED APPROACH.

BY THE SAME TOKEN, COMMISSIONER, I WOULD FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE LETTING THEM RUN THE TRAPS ON THIS. I CERTAINLY HADN'T HEARD IT. I KNOW JOE IS OUT, SO PERHAPS

HE SENT -- YOUR TEAM SENT IT TO HIM. >> LOOK, JUDGE, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE CLARITY ON THIS. MY CONCE IS THAT THERE IS A LEVEL OF INEQUITY CURRENTLY WITH THE FLOOD CONTROL PROJECTS.

I DON'T WANT TO FEED THAT AND I BELIEVE THAT APPROACHING IT THIS WAY WILL ALLOW US TO MAKE SURE THEY WILL BE USING THE INFORMATION FROM THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT AND IN ADDITION TO THE TOLL ROAD ACCOMPLISHES A LOT OF THINGS ALL AT ONCE.

I WILL BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH YOU. I THINK THIS IS PART OF THE CIP. SO MAYBE WE CAN COME BACK TO IT LATER ON.

IF WE HAVE CLARITY ON THAT. >> RODNEY ELLIS: COMMISSIONER, WOULD WE VOTE ON THE CIP EVEN IF WE COME BACK AND DO THIS LATER TODAY OR TWO WEEKS OR WHEN EVER?

DO YOU WANT TO HOLD THE WHOLE CIP? >> RODNEY ELLIS: I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO FIGURE THIS OUT TODAY IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. I THINK IT IS JERMAINE --

GERMAINE TO EACH OTHER. >> RODNEY ELLIS: BAYS POINT I WILL -- LAST POINT I WILL MAKE, JUDGE, IF I MAY, ONE PLACE WE COULD MAKE UP THE GAP, AND I HOPE IT COMES BACK IN JUNE, MAY ADDRESS IT ONE IS TO DO ANOTHER BOND ISSUE AND ANOTHER IS TO USE THE MONEY THAT IS AT THE TOLL ROAD TO MAKE UP THAT GAP. WE CAN ASK IF OUR PARTNERS CAN DO AN EARMARK. WE CAN ASK COMMISSIONERS CAGLE AND RAMSEY HOPEFULLY LEADING IT AND US HELPING AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND SEE IF THE STATE FOLKS WILL HELP US.

WHAT IS THAT? ABOUT A BILLION? HOW MUCH IS OVER THERE

MR. BERRY? >> THAT'S RIGHT. WE NEED TO KEEP ADEQUATE

LIQUIDITY IN RESERVES. >> AND WE DON'T WANT A LOWER BOND RATING.

>> THERE'S MORE RESOURCES IN THE TOLL ROAD TO SUPPORT FREE INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> AND COMMISSIONER GARCIA, FAR BE IT FOR ME TO TURN DOWN MORE MONEY THAN MY PRECINCT CAN CONTROL. BUT AS IMPORTANT AS THE TRANSPORTATION ISSUE IS AS YOU KNOW, THE FLOOD CONTROL -- IF WE HAVE ANOTHER HARVEY, YOU KNOW, THAT IS PRETTY

IMPORTANT. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: YEAH, I MEAN, I'M GETTING IT ALL KINDS OF WAYS. ON THE DOWNSTREAM SIDE OF SEVERAL COUNTIES AND NOT JUST HARRIS COUNTY I HAVE TRAFFIC THAT IS BEATING UP MY ROADS. THIS IS A MAJOR PRIORITY.

WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THE INEQUITY IN THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT.

I HATE TO PUT MORE MONEY IN THERE TO WORK AGAINST ME. >> AND I WOULDN'T GIVE IT TO HIM. I DON'T SAY WE GIVE IT TO HIM WITHOUT STRINGS ATTACHED.

PART OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE IS IT IS DIFFICULT TO SAY NO TO YOU AND CAGLE AND RAMSEY AND THE JUDGE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT LEADERSHIP IS. WE CANNOT KEEP DOING WHAT WE ARE DOING. I DON'T JUST WRITE THEM A CHECK.

YOU HAVE TO LAY IT OUT ON WHERE IT WOULD GO. AND THAT'S WHY I WILL FLUSH

OUT THIS MOTION A LITTLE MORE. >> LINA HIDALGO: I DON'T THINK -- DAVE, IS IT IMPOSSIBLE? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO PASS TODAY? THIS TRANSFER OF THIS 200 MILLION OF HCTRA GOING TO PRECINCTS? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE DECIDED TODAY?

>> I THINK IT IS UP TO THE COURT. >> LINA HIDALGO: IF IT IS UP TO US, IT IS A BIG DEAL TO ME. I DON'T -- WE'RE TALKING ABOUT

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HOW LITTLE FUNDS WE HAVE AND HOW WE NEED TO BE STRATEGIC WITH THEM.

AND I WOULD WANT TO GET A PRESENTATION FROM BUDGET AND FLOOD CONTROL AND ENGINEER FIGURE RELEVANT, BUT I THINK IT IS FLOOD CONTROL AND BUDGET AS TO WHETHER THAT IS THE WAY TO SERVE THE WHOLE BIG CONVERSATION WE JUST HAD. WE CAN DECIDE TO TAKE THE TACK THAT WE WILL SOLVE THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES AND FLITTING IT ALL IN FOUR -- SPLITTING IT ALL IN FOUR, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WILL TAKE US VERY FAR. COMMISSIONER, I ASK THAT WE LET THEM WORK ON IT AND BRING IT BACK. I DID NOT KNOW.

I JUST DON'T SEE WHAT THE RUSH IS, I GUESS. WHAT'S THE RUSH?

>> NO RUSH ON IT, JUDGE. ONLY FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT IF WE ARE GOING TO APPROVE THE CIP, THIS IS A PART OF. IT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT PRECINCT 2 DOESN'T CONTINUE TO BE LEFT OUT. I MEAN, I HAVE BEEN WORKING UNDER THE LAST TWO YEARS THAT THE BOND WAS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THE PRECINCT. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ALL OF THIS. COME TO REALIZE THAT THESE PROJECTS WERE ON THE WISH LIST. I'M JUST NOT IN A REAL GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW, JUDGE.

MY COMMITMENT IS TO SECURE MORE MONEY TO KEEP MY HOUSES FROM FLOODING.

I WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK WITH THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT TO USE WHATEVER PROJECTS THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FUND THAT WOULD SUPPORT MY PRECINCT AND THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. I KNOW WE HAVE TO WORK IN COORDINATION WITH THE TOLL ROAD TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T JUST USE THEM AS AN ATM MACHINE.

AND SO THAT IS -- THAT'S WHERE I AM COMING FROM. I WILL HOLD OFF ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM AS LONG AS I HAVE COMMITMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA BE STRATEGIC, AND IT IS NOT -- IT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE JUST GOING TO WRITE A CHECK TO THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT.

I'M LOOKING AT THAT MAP AND I THINK YOU CAN TELL MY BLOOD PRESSURE IS GETTING UP WHEN I LOOK AT THAT MAP BASED ON ALL KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS I HAVE HAD FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

COME TO FIND OUT IT WAS A SMOKE DREAM. I CALL IT A SMOKE DREAM

BECAUSE IT WAS A SMOKE SCREEN TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. >> LINA HIDALGO: YES, COMMISSIONER CAGLE AND THEN COMMISSIONER RAMSEY AND THEN COMMISSIONER ELLIS.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR. FROM WHERE I'M COMING FROM, YOUR HONOR, I HAVE ACTUALLY HAD SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BUDGET OFFICE WITH REGARD TO HOW COULD THESE FUNDS BE SPENT? THEY HAVE TO GO TOWARD A PRIMARILY TRANSPORTATION COMPONENT BECAUSE THAT IS THE STATUTE OUT THAT CARRIES -- STATUTE THAT CARRIES THEM OVER. MY UNDERSTANDING AND MR. BERRY CAN CORRECT ME, BUT 80 MILLION OF THESE PROBABLY QUALIFY TO GOING TO FLOOD CONTROL PROJECTS AS THEY ARE ASSOCIATED WITH OUR ROADS. ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE DOING IS TRYING TO IMPROVE THE ROADS THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. WE ARE INCREASING THE FLOODING CAPACITY ABOVE ATLAS 14 SO THAT ALL OF OUR PROJECTS HAVE A FLOOD BENEFIT.

WE ARE BEING BOY SCOUTS AND GIRL SCOUTS WHEN IT COMES TO THE ROAD PROJECTS AND WE ARE LEAVING THEM FARBER THAN WHEN WE FOUND THEM WHICH HELPS THE NEIGHBORHOODS.

IF ROUGHLY A THIRD OF THIS MOBILITY FUND CAN BE PUT INTO PARTNERSHIPS WITH FLOOD CONTROL. AND AS WE BUILD OUR ROADS AND WE ARE BUILDING OUR ROADS IN A WAY WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE THEM AND IN A WAY THAT THEY HELP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS BE SAFER WHICH IS WHERE THIS IS GOING. YOU'VE HEARD I THINK COMMISSIONER ELLIS.

YOU HAVE TO GET THE WATER OUT OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD EXPDZ INTO THE CREEKS.

WILL -- THE WAY WE CAN DO OUR PART, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, AS A GENERAL RULE, IF COMMISSIONER GARCIA OR COMMISSIONER RAMSEY OR COMMISSIONER ELLIS OR I -- I KNOW PRECINCT 3 HAS ONE AND COMMISSIONER GARCIA IS WORKING ON THEM, WE HAVE THE MAPS TO HELP THE CORRIDORS. ONCE WE HAVE A -- THE FUNDING AS A GENERAL RULE WHEN WE GET THE FUNDING, WE HAVE A DOLLAR'S WORTH OF PROJECT AND IF WE CAN MOVE THAT DIME TO TWO DIMES WE CAN MAKE A LOT OF DIFFERENCE. WITH THOSE FUNDING AND ESPECIALLY WITH AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT, CORRECT ME, BUT 80 MILLION OF THAT REMAINING

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230 MILLION COULD GO TOWARD PARTNERSHIPS WITH FLOOD CONTROL AND WE CAN MAKE A BIG IMPACT AND WE CAN DO SO QUICKLY. IF WE WANT TO GET THE MOST PEOPLE OUT OF THE WATER THE FASTEST AND WHO ARE BEING HURT THE MOST BY WATER I SAY UNLEASH COMMISSIONER GARCIA TO PUT IT IN HIS PRECINCT. UNLEASH COMMISSIONER RAMSEY.

UNLEASH COMMISSIONER ELLIS TO DO SO. UNLEASH ME.

WE HAVE THE SYSTEMS IN PLACE TO WHERE WE CAN MOVE QUICKLY AND GET THESE DOLLARS TO WHERE THEY ARE WORKING INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR FEDERAL PARTNERS AND OTHERS OUT THERE, WE CAN PUT IT TO THE GROUND AND HELP FOLKS. JUDGE, PART OF THE WHOLE CIP PROCESS IS FOR US TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ROADS, WHAT PROJECTS, WHAT THINGS CAN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH? COMMISSIONER ELLIS MADE A JOKE HOW I JUMPED ON REAL QUICK, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN LOOKING ON FOR QUITE AWHILE.

WOW. IF I CAN HAVE THE FUNDS, HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN I HELP?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: AND COMMISSIONER CAGLE, IF I CAN JUST ADD TO YOUR POINT, I HAVE REUF -- ROUGHLY ABOUT $100 MILLION IN PROJECTS THAT WILL BE DELAYED.

I IMAGINE ALL OF OUR PRECINCTS HAVE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

DO WE HAVE MONEY TO KEEP THE PROJECTS FROM BEING DELAYED? >> IF YOU ARE FACING DELAYS, I THINK THERE ARE A NUMBER OF WAYS WE CAN DEAL WITH THEM. WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO WORK THROUGH IT. I THINK TOLL ROAD FUNDS COULD BE ONE SOLUTION, BUT THERE MAY

BE OTHERS AS WELL. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: I APPRECIATE THAT AND I WILL CIRCLE BACK AROUND. I WILL BITE MY TONGUE FOR A SECOND.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER RAMSEY? >> TOM RAMSEY: LET ME JUST ADD WHAT I WANTED TO POINT OUT. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER GARCIA IS ADVOCATING IS TAKING DOLLARS AND SPENTD -- SPENDING THEM IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT PROVIDE THE MOST NEED.

I CAN TELL YOU IN THE LAST MONTH I MET WITH COUNCILMEMBER TIFFANY THOMAS, COUNCILMEMBER ED POLLARD, COUNCIL MEMBER AMY PECK. THEY DON'T HAVE TWO NICKELS TO RUB TOGETHER. THEY CAN'T GET THE WATER TO THE BAYOU.

ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS I JUST REFERENCED AND THAT I MENTIONED, THEY ARE ALL UNDER SERVED TO THE EQUITY POINT. WE'VE GOT MORE PROJECTS, WE KNOW OF MORE PROJECTS AND WE COULD DO A MILLION AND MAKE A REAL DIFFERENCE IN A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.

SO JUST TO THE CLARITY OF IT, WHAT WOULD WE SPEND OUR MONEY FOR, THESE DOLLARS THAT WE GET FROM THE TOLL ROAD WOULD BE SPENT AS COMMISSIONER CAGLE ELUDES TO, AND ANY ROAD PROJECT WILL BUY SIGNIFICANT DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENT. THE DOLLARS THAT WOULD COME TO PRECINCT 3, AND BY THE WAY I THINK WE SCORED PRETTY HIGH UP TO THIS POINT ON OUR EQUITY BUCKETS. I PLAN ON USING IT AS I KNOW COMMISSIONER GARCIA HAS REFERRED TO TO DO PROJECTS IMMEDIATELY AND NOT WAIT ON THE MAJOR PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED UNDER FLOOD CONTROL. I SUPPORT THAT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER ELLIS? >> RODNEY ELLIS: I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY TO COMMISSIONER GARCIA I WOULD PREFER IF YOU WANT TO DO IT TODAY THAT WE DO IT. I TAKE THE $200 MILLION AND EARMARK IT FOR THE RED AREAS NOT BEING FUNDED. HERE IS THE DOWNSIDE. IF THIS IS REALLY ABOUT FLOODING ISSUES AND IT IS ABOUT EQUITY I WOULD SUPPORT THAT.

AND I STILL SUGGEST WE WAIT BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET HUD MONEY -- OR STATE MONEY. YOU DON'T DRAG IT OUT SO WE DO WHAT WE ARE ON THE COURSE TO DO NOW. THAT IS GO FUND THE STUFF BASED ON COST BENEFIT RATIO.

LOOK. I GET THE POINT. I THINK IT WAS THE SAN JACINTO RIVER PROJECT BECAUSE OF THE COUNTIES INVOLVED. CLEARLY GREEN AND HALLS AND MIGHT I ADD SIMMS, BUT I WOULDN'T PUT THAT ONE IN. I WOULD SAY TAKE -- I WOULD PREFER WE WAIT. WHETHER IT IS TWO WEEKS OR A MONTH OR THE JUNE DATE.

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I MAKE A MOTION OR SECOND YOUR MOTION TO EARMARK THE $200 MILLION FOR GREENS AND HALLS. WHICH ARE THE MOST UNDER FUNDED.

I WON'T GO TO THE OTHER ONE BUT MY PREFERENCE IS TO WAIT AND SEE IF COMMISSIONER CAGLE AND RAMSEY CAN MAKE MORE PROGRESS THAN WE HAVE MADE. WE WILL SEE IF WE HAVE ANYMORE INFLUENCE WITH HUD. I AM GOING BACK TO THE FLOODING ISSUE.

I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE ANOTHER. FIRST OF ALL I WOULD BE IN LINE WITH ACCEPTING YOUR THAT'S WHERE I AM AT. I WANT TO RESPECTFULLY SAY THAT I HAVE BEEN MADE TO BELIEVE THAT PRECINCT TWO FLOOD CONTROL BOND PROJECTS WERE GONNA HAPPEN. AND NOW WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT WE HAVE A SHORT FALL THAT HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED AND WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEAL WITH THAT.

WE HAVE GONE FOUR YEARS INTO THIS. I AM NOT GOING TO WAIT ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. SO I WILL FORCE THE CONVERSATION AT A FUTURE DATE. I WILL -- I AM NOT GOING TO WAIT FOR THIS PARTICULAR DISCUSSION. I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING.

IT IS URGENT. AND WE HAVE TO USE THIS WITH DREENS AND HALLS AND NOT EXCLUSIVE TO GREENS AND HALLS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE BENEFITING BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THEY ARE NOT AND SO I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO MAKE MAGIC HAPPEN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT IS ON THE TAKE.

>> AND SO I HAVE COMMITMENT TO MY COMMITMENTS AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY -- WE ARE RECOGNIZING THAT WE HAVE A FOR THE FALL AND HUD HASN'T COME IN AS WE THOUGHT AND BELIEVE AND WE WERE TOLD THEY WERE GOING TO BE COMING IN. AND THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE.

>> TWO WEEKS WILL WORK AND I WAS GOING TO DO DENTAL SURGERY, BUT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I THINK, A COUPLE OF US HAVE MADE -- I DO KNOW CONGRESSWOMAN MARCIA FUDGE.

IT MIGHT TAKE 30 DAYS INSTEAD OF TWO WEEKS. BUT GET SOME SENSE, YOU GOT ME, ON IF ANYTHING -- I WENT TO A MEETING UP THERE WITH RUSS POPPY.

AND FOR A MOMENT. I DON'T WANT US TO MISS THAT MONEY IF WE CAN GET -- I DON'T THINK WE WILL GET IT. I DON'T WANT TO TELL HIM THAT.

I JUST DON'T WANT US TO GO AND SPEND IT. I WOULD SUGGEST TWO OF US GO UP AND TRY TO SEE THE SECRETARY IF THEY ARE MEETING WITH PEOPLE.

YOU GOT ME? OR DO A ZOOM. AND THEY DO HAVE EARMARKS

AGAIN. >> I WILL PULL THIS DOWN, BUT MY -- I JUST WANT TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT I DO PLAN TO BRING THIS UP AT THE NEXT MEETING.

I HOPE WE CAN ALL WORK ON THIS. >> GET YOUR RUNNING SHOES ON AND I WILL TRY TO HOLD MY

SURGERY. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: YOU GOT IT. I WITHDRAW MY MOTION.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER GARCIA AND I APPRECIATE YOUR URGENCY.

I WOULD ASK THAT AND ECHO THAT THE DATE WORK WITH ALL OF US -- THAT DAVE WORK WITH ALL OF US. I MEAN WE HAVE TO GET THIS STRAIGHT.

WE DID SAY JUNE 30TH. IF THEY WANT TO DO IT IN FADES OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.

NOBODY SHOULD FEEL LEFT BEHIND AND I UNDERSTAND. IF WE ARE BEING LEFT BE -- BEHIND WE HAVE TO CORRECT THAT. WE KNEW THIS WAS AN ISSUE AND WHY DIDN'T THIS COME WITH A SOLUTION EARLIER. RIGHT NOW YOU ARE BRINGING A

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PROBLEM STATEMENT AGAIN. WE HAVE HAD THE PROBLEM STATEMENT FOR ABOUT TWO YEARS. SO I UNDERSTAND, COMMISSIONER GARCIA.

I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND BUDGET AND WHOMEVER OVER THE NEXT FEW WEEKS.

>> SO MY MOTION TO HAVE BUDGET AND FLOOD CONTROL WORK ON THAT PARTICULAR PLAN STILL STANDS.

MY MOTION ON DO -- DIVISION ON THE HCTRA SURPLUS TO BE DIVIDED AMONG THE CORE

PRECINCTS AND I WILL WITHDRAW THAT MOTION. >> SO WE NEED TO VOTE THEN ON THE CIPWRIT LARGE. THIS IS A MOTION I HAVE. I WILL SEND IT -- I APOLOGIZE BUT IT IS TO APPROVE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN INCLUDING THE PROPOSED POLICIES THE PROCEDURES AND REQUEST THAT ALL DEPARTMENTS FOLLOW THE POLICIES PROCEDURES AND DIRECT BMV TO PROVIDE A QUARTERLY UPDATE TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT WHICH INCLUDES THE APPROVAL STATUS AND STAGE OF ALL CIP PROJECTS SO THAT THE COURT HAS THE RELEVANT CONTEXT TO INFORM DECISIONS ON PAUSING OR HALTING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT

PLAN PROJECTS. >> I WILL SECOND. I THINK COMMISSIONER GARCIA

WERE YOU MAKING THAT MOTION? >> DOES THAT COVER US? >> YES, JUDGE, IT DOES.

>> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM GARCIA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ELLIS.

ALL IN FAVOR? >> I. >> I.

>> I. >> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THAT DOES IT FOR CIP, AND WE ARE HITTING ON NOON. WHY DON'T WE TAKE OUR

15-MINUTE BREAK -- >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE WHRKS WE COME BACK, COMMISSIONER -- JUDGE, WHEN WE COME BACK, COMMISSIONER CAGLE AND RAMSEY, YOU NEED TO SWITCH YOUR NAMES. THEY HAVE CAGLE UNDER RAMSEY AND RAMSEY UNDER CAGLE.

>> LINA HIDALGO: ON THE ZOOM? >> RODNEY ELLIS: YEAH, ON THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREENS.

>> LINA HIDALGO: WE WILL BREAK UNTIL 12:25. LEAN LOON I SEE

COMMISSIONER -- >> LINA HIDALGO: I SEE COMMISSIONER CAGLE AND RAMSEY AND ELLIS. IT IS 12:27 AND COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS BACK IN SESSION.

WE'LL MOVE TO THE RES -- RESOLUTIONS AND WE'LL TAKE THE SPEAKERS AND THE REST OF THE AGENDA. IN TERMS OF RESOLUTIONS THE FIRST IS A PRESENTATION OF AN AWARD THAT IS BEING GIVEN TO US. I WAS ASKED TO READ THIS ON BEHALF OF TEXAS A&M AGRI LIFE EXTENSION SERVICE OR TO RECEIVE THIS ON BEHALF OF THE

COURT. >> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY HAD HIS

MICROPHONE TURNED OFF. >> LINA HIDALGO: IT SAYS IT PRESENTS THE AWARD IN REC -- RECOGNITION TO THE HARRIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT FOR VITAL LEADERSHIP AND SUPPORT THAT ADVANCES THE URBAN OUT REACH AND IMPACT OF EXTENSION EDUCATION.

CONFERRED BY JEFFREY HYDE DIRECTOR 2021. I KNOW WE HAVE MR. HYDE TO --

HERE TO MAKE SOME REMARKS. >> YES, I AM HERE AND GOOD AFTERNOON, JUDGE HIDALGO AND COMMISSIONER'S COURT ON BEHALF OF TEXAS A&M AGRI LIFE SERVICES WE WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN HARRIS COUNTY. THIS AWARD WAS CERTAINLY ONE ACROSS THE STATE OF TEXAS AND THE COURTS ACROSS THE STATE INCLUDING OUR URBAN COUNTIES FOR THEIR WORK AND SUPPORT AND TO SERVE THE CITIZENS OF HARRIS COUNTY.

AND IT IS REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR US.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: AS A DADDY OF A LONG HORN, I AM SO PROUD TO ACCEPT THIS AWARD.

>> THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

>> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU. THAT'S THE AWARD NEXT IS 200 UNDER COUNTY JUDGE AND I AM

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PLEASED TO COMMEND DR. KIMBERLY MONDAY FOR HER ROLE IN THE HARRIS BOARD OF TRUSTEES. AND SHE HAS BEEN DRIVING THE STRATEGIC PLAN THAT I KNOW ALL OF US HAVE DISCUSSED. IT IS A NECESSARY STEP AND AN IMPORTANT STEP AS WELL AS SO MANY OTHER IMPORTANT NOTES OF PROGRESS. DR. KIMBERLY MONDAY LEAVES THE HARRIS HEALTH SYSTEM AFTER SERVING NEARLY SIX YEARS AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES. MOST RECENTLY AS CHAIR OF THE 9-MEMBER BOARD APPOINTED BY THE HARRIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT. DR. MONDAY SERVED AS THE CHAIR OF THE CEO SEARCH COMMITTEE FOR THE HARRIS HEALTH SYSTEM AND CONDUCTED A SEARCH TO FIND THE CURRENT PRESIDENT AND CEO TO HELP FULFILL THE SYSTEM'S MISSION TO IMPROVE THE HEALTH OF THOSE MOST IN NEED IN HARRIS COUNTY AND THE COORDINATION OF CARE AND EDUCATION. DR. MONDAY CHAMPIONED THE HARRIS HEALTH SYSTEM'S RECENTLY ADOPTED PLAN AND THE VISION TO PRPL THE ACADEMIC HEALTH CARE SYSTEM IN THE NATION. WITH A SPECIFIC FOCUS ON COMMUNITY COLLABORATIONS TO ADDRESS THE SOCIAL, ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH THAT AFFECT PATIENTS AND THE COMMUNITY OUTCOMES. SHE HAS BEEN A DRIVING FORCE FOR THE HARRIS HEALTH SYSTEM'S SUCCESSFUL GOOD CATCH AND DANGEROUS HOSPITAL INQUIRED INFECTIONS AND TO PRO ACTIVELY PREVENT AND IDENTIFY POE -- POTENTIAL ERRORS THAT COULD LEAD TO PATIENT HARM.

IT IS A TIME WHEN THE SYSTEM OPERATES 48 HEALTH CARE LOCATIONS.

IT PROVIDES CARE TO MORE THAN 287,000 UNIQUE INDIVIDUALS FOR MORE THAN 1.7 MILLION OUTPATIENT VISITS AND 170,000 EMERGENCY VISITS AND 43,000 HOSPITAL CASES AND 5400 BIRTHS. AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT THE HARRIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT HERE BY COMMANDS DR. KIMBERLY MONDAY FOR SERVING THE HEALTH SYSTEM OVER A PERIOD OF SIX YEARS INCLUDING SERVING AS ITS CHAIR OVER TIME.

THANK YOU, DR. MONDAY. DO WE HAVE DR. MONDAY ON THE LINE?

>> THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON YOUR HONORS, ELLIS, GARCIA, RAMSEY AND CAGLE. I WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR THIS RECOGNITION.

IT HAS BEEN A TRUE HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO SERVE ON THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES.

LIKE YOU GUYS I TRULY BELIEVE THE CHARACTER OF A COMMUNITY IS DEFINED ON HOW WE CARE FOR THOSE WHO ARE MOST IN NEED. AS THE JUDGE SAID THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH A TRAUMA.

AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO SUPPORT OUR CITIZENS. I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT -- I THINK YOU DO, BUT YOU HAVE A PHENOMENAL BOARD. EVERYONE ON THAT BOARD IS 100% ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY. THEY ARE PRESENT. THEY ARE ON BOARD AND THEY ARE ALL SERVANT LEADERS. THE NEW MEMBER PROFESSOR JOHNSON IS A WONDERFUL ADDITION. AND I HOPE YOU KNOW WHAT A WONDERFUL TEAM YOU HAVE THAT IS LEAD BY DR. PORSCHE WHO QUALIFIES TO BE OUR CEO. IF YOU HAD TO DESIGN A CEO FOR HARRIS HEALTH FROM SCRATCH, YOU REALLY COULDN'T BUILD A BETTER PERSON FOR THIS JOB.

MOST IMPORTANTLY BECAUSE HE WALKS THE WALK AND HE REALLY, TRULY EMBODIES OUR MISSION.

THANK YOU AGAIN. >> CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

>> THIS IS RODNEY. I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU AS WELL.

I KNOW WE WILL FIND OTHER PLACES AND YOUR VOICE HASMENT A LOT.

HAS MEANT A LOT. I HOPE WE WILL DRAW DOWN THE AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE MONEY AND IT WOULD CERTAINLY HELP OUR STATE AND OUR REGION AND HARRIS HEALTH.

PRETTY SOON YOU CAN GO BACK TO THE CAPITAL AND HAVE MEETINGS.

>> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. >> THANK YOU, DR. MONDAY. >> JUDGE, WE DO HAVE

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ADDITIONAL SPEAKERS. >> LINA HIDALGO: LET'S HEAR THEM.

THANK YOU, LUCINDA. >> DR. US -- ISMALE PORSCHE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JUDGE AND GOOD AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ABLE TO SPEAK.

FIRST OF ALL CONGRATULATIONS TO DR. MONDAY. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO

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SPEAK TO HER REPUTATION, HER COMPETENCE AND HER CLINICAL EFFECTIVENESS AS A TOP NOTCH NEUROLOGIST IN OUR COMMUNITY OR HER LEADERSHIP ACUMEN AS THE PRESIDENT OF HARRIS COUNTY MEDICAL SOCIETY. BUT YOU ALREADY HEARD WHAT HE HAS DONE AS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES AND THEN MOST RECENTLY AS THE CHAIR. I THINK THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES OF WHO SHE SBUT WHAT I WANT TO TALK ON IS THE PERSON THAT DR. MONDAY IS.

I STILL REMEMBER ENTERING THE ROOM IN MY FIRST INTERVIEW WHEN I WAS SEEKING THE POSITION. I REMEMBER MY CONVERSATION AS IF IT WAS MONDAY -- AS DASH -- DASH AS IF IT WAS YESTERDAY. COMING HERE AND SERVING THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE IMPRESSION DR. MONDAY LEFT ON ME. IT IS TRULY WHO SHE IS.

IT IS THE IMPRESSION OF HUMILITY. IT IS THE IMPRESSION OF TRUDY VOGUES AND DEDICATION TO THE CAUSE. YOU KNOW, SHE JUST TALKED ABOUT ME, YOU KNOW, WALKING THE WALK. I HAD A GREAT TEACHER IN HER.

SHE HAS TRULY BEEN A MENTOR TO ME. THE BEST WAY I CAN DESCRIBE DR. MONDAY IS IF THERE WAS EVER AN AWARD FOR A HEART OF GOLD, IT WOULD DEFINITELY GO TO WORK HANDS DOWN. NO COMPETITION. WE HAVE A VERY STRONG BOARD, A DEDICATED BOARD. BUT DR. MONDAY LEFT A LARGE SHOES TO BE FILLED.

I AM GOING TO MISS HER. I AM THANKFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SERVE UNDER HER LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU.

>> THANK YOU. >> NEXT WE HAVE DR. ARTHUR BRASEY WITH THE HARRIS HEALTH

SYSTEM. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE AND THANK YOU, COMMISSIONERS. WE DO HAVE LARGE SHOES TO FILL.

ON BEHALF OF THE HARRIS HEALTH BOARD OF DIRECTORS I WISH TO EXTEND OUR SINCERE GRATITUDE TO OUR IMMEDIATE PAST CHAIR, KIM MONDAY. DR. MONDAY DELIVERED A PHENOMENAL BODY OF WORK IN A VERY SHORT AND CHALLENGING INTERVAL OF TIME.

AS YOU KNOW SOON AFTER SHE ASCENDED SHE FACED THE ON SLOT OF THE COVID PANDEMIC DR. MONDAY PLAYED A MAJOR ROLE IN HELPING OUR NEWLY MINTED CEO AS YOU HAVE JUST HEARD, NAVIGATE TO HIS ROLE IN THE TRULY UNCERTAIN TIME. SHE ALSO WENT TO GREAT PERSONAL LENGTHS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE BRAVE WORK DONE BY OUR HARRIS HEALTH HEROS ACROSS ALL LINES TO MAKE SURE THEIR NEEDS WERE NOTED. ON A PERM NOTE I EXPERIENCED -- ON A PERSONAL NOTE I EXPERIENCED HER HELP FIRST HAPPENED ON HER GUIDANCE IN THIS BOARD. THERE IS NO DOUBT SHE SOUGHT TO ENSURE THAT ANY PATIENT'S CARE WILL RECEIVE THE HIGHEST QUALITY POSSIBLE THROUGH HER COMMITMENT THROUGHOUT THE HARRIS HEALTH SYSTEM. THESE ANSWERS WILL ENDURE OVER THE YEARS.

AS A BOARD MEMBER AND A CHAIR SHE LEFT NO PRIZE UNSEEN. WHETHER THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENSURE EASY ACCESS OF MOTHERSS IN THE NEED OF CARE AT CASA DE AMIGOS AND WHETHER IT WAS HER VOICE TO BRING THE COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK TO THE BOARD, WHETHER TO FIRSTHAND SHOW THE WORKINGS OF THE EMERGENCY CENTER AND TO ASSESS THE BENEFITS AND THE NEEDS OF THE VITAL PART OF THE ENTERPRISE. OR LASTLY, WHETHER ENGAGING WITH STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS ON THE IMPORTANT POTENTIAL ROLE AS MEANS OF OFFERING A HEALTHIER LIFESTYLE.

DR. MONDAY NEW -- KNEW THE WHOLE OF HARRIS HEALTH. THE PLAN SHE SHEPHERDED PAVES THE WAY FOR HARRIS HEALTH FOR A BRIGHTER FUTURE THAN EVER. WE ARE ENDEBTED TO HER AS HER

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SERVICE AND GLAD TO BE COUNTED AS COLLEAGUES AND FRIENDS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH,

DR. MONDAY. >> THOSE WERE ALL OF THE SPEAKERS ON THESE ITEMS.

>> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU, LUCINDA. APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S WORDS AND DR. MONDAY'S. THE NEXT RESOLUTION IS UNDER COMMISSIONER GARCIA'S AGENDA.

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THAT WOULD BE NUMBER 207 ON PAGE 25. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: THANK YOU, JUDGE. I WILL JUST TELL YOU THAT THESE RESOLUTIONS ARE IN LARGE PART OBVIOUSLY PAINFUL BECAUSE OF THE LOSS OF LIFE BUT THEY TOUCH YOUR HEART BECAUSE YOU RECOGNIZE THE CONTRIBUTIONS THEY HAVE MADE AND THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITIES. AND SO THIS RESOLUTION ON BEHALF OF LUCY GRANADO VALDEZ AND IT IS DEDICATED TO HER LOVING FAMILY. ONE IS ACTIVE AND IT HAS SHEPHERDED THROUGH A GREAT DEAL OF WORK AND IT HAS INSPIRED MANY YOUNG PEOPLE AND THAT IS ELLIS VALDEZ. THE PAINFUL PART OF THIS IS THAT WE ALL KNOW THE END OF LIFE IS SOMEWHERE IN OUR FUTURE. I JUST WANT IT TO COME AS LATE AS POSSIBLE. SOMETIMES WE -- SOMETIMES THE TIMING IS -- IT ADDS TO THE PAIN IN THAT LUCY PASSED ON JUST A -- IT WAS JUST A FEW DAYS AGO AND TODAY -- TODAY WOULD HAVE BEEN HER 97TH BIRTHDAY. AND SO WITH THAT IN MIND I READ THE RESOLUTION. WHEREAS EXPERIENCING THE EFFECTS OF THE HISTORIC AND EXTENDED PERIOD OF FREEZING COLD WEATHER AND WITH LITTLE TO NO HEAT AT HOME, LUCY GRANADO VALDEZ PASSED AWAY. IT WAS DAYS SHORT OF HER 97TH BIRTHDAY.

AND WHEREAS BORN IN FORT DAVIS, TEXAS ON MARCH 9TH, 1924, LUCIA, AFFECTIONATELY KNOWN AS MAMA LUCY, IS A DESCENDANT OF ANTON DE -- DEDRICK AND RUPHIA, FOUNDERS OF THE WEST TEXAS TOWN OF FORT DAVIS. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF VISITING.

WHEN I GO BACK TO VISIT I WILL LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.

AND LUCIA WAS MARRIED TO THE LATE FRANCISCO VALUE -- VALDEZ.

SHE WAS A DEVOTED WIFE AND MOTHER AND RAISING HER SON AND CARING FOR HER CHILDREN AND GREAT GRANDCHILDREN. PICKING THEM UP FROM SCHOOL AND ATTENDING PERFORMANCES AND REHEARSALS. SHE TOOK PRIDE IF LOVING THREE GENERATIONS OF VALDEZ CHILDREN SHE ALSO LOVED TO LAUGH AND JOKE WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS. AND NONE COULD COMPETE WITH HER WORLD CLASS, HOMEMADE TORTILLAS OR SPICY, HOT ROASTED CHILI.

AND WHERE AS "MAMA LUCY" WAS THE FOUNDATION OF THE VALDEZ FAMILY, HER LOVE AND LABOR AND HER HOME ALLOWED HER FAMILY TO FOCUS ON EDUCATION WORK AND PASSION.

SHE DEVOTED TIME TO AND CARED FOR THOSE LESS FORTUNATE. THAT'S WHERE WE ALL KNOW "MAMA LUCIA" TO HAVE THRIVED. AND WHEREAS SHE IS SURVIVED BY HER SISTER FROM EL PASO, TEXAS. HER SON ROBERTO G VALDEZ, HER DAUGHTER IF LAW, ALICE AND TO HER GRAND GRANDCHILDREN -- GRAND CHILDREN AND GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN.

TO THOSE WHO KNEW "MAMA LUCY WELL --" MAMA LUCY" LET IT BE RESOLVED THAT HARRIS COUNTY

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DMITIONER'S COURT -- COMMISSIONER'S COURT HONORS THE LIFE OF LUCIA-GRANADO VALDEZ. I THINK WE MIGHT HAVE HER FAMILY ON THE LINE, LUCINDA?

>> YES, SIR. FRANCIS VALDEZ. GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

>> HI. MY NAME IS FRANCIS VALDEZ. ON BEHALF OF THE VALDEZ FAMILY I WANT TO THANK COMMISSIONER GARCIA FOR HONORING MY GRANDMOTHER, LUCIA-GRANADO VALDEZ, AFFECTION -- AFFECTIONATELY CALLED "MAMA LUCY." IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HER 97TH BIRTHDAY. HER 96TH BIRTHDAY WAS THE LAST TIME MY WHOLE FAMILY AND CLOSE FRIENDS GATHERED INDOORS.

WE SACRIFICED PRECIOUS TIME TOGETHER TO PROTECT "MAMA LUCIA" FROM COVID-19 AND WERE HOPEFUL TO BE TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE HER BIRTHDAY. ON FEBRUARY 15TH, 2021, "MAMA LUCY"'S HOME LOST POWER. SHE SPENT HER LAST DAYS ON EARTH IN FRIGID TEMPERATURES IN HER OWN HOME. SHE WAS COVERED WITH MANY LAYERS OF BLANKETS AND CLAIMED SHE WAS NOT COLD. AS USUAL SHE WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY OF HER GRANDCHILDREN AND GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN.

"MAMA LUCY" WAS BORN IN FORT DAVIS, TEXAS. ALTHOUGH SHE WAS PART OF THOSE WHO FOUNDED THE TIME SHE GREW UP IN A TIME WHEN MEXICANS WENT TO SEGREGATED SCHOOLS AND SUFFERED RACISM. SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT RESULTED IN LACK OF INTEGRA FEE -- IN -- INTEGRITY. SHE DID NOT ATTEND PAST THE THIRD GRADE.

SHE WAS A SURVIVOR. SHE LIVED OFF THE FARM. SHE VIVIDLY REMEMBERED LIFE WITHOUT INDOOR PLUMBING AND ELECTRICITY AND SHE ALWAYS WANTED BETTER FOR US.

THAT'S WHY MAMA LUCY WORKED TIRELESSLY COOKING AND TAKING CARE OF THE HOME SO HER SON AND GRANDCHILDREN AND GREAT-GRANDCHILDREN COULD GET AN EDUCATION, WORK INDOORS AND HAVE A COMFORTABLE HOME AND NOT HAVE TO SUFFER THE WAY SHE DID.

"MAMA LUCY" LOOKED AT THE WORLD WITH JOY AND UNCONDITIONAL HOME.

SHE MADE EVERYBODY WHO CAME TO HER HOME HER AMAZING FLOUR TORTILLA AND BEANS.

SHE LOVED SPICY C HL -- CHILI AND WAS SURPRISED NOBODY COULD MATCH HER TOLERANCE.

IF SHE WAS ALIVE TODAY SHE WOULD NOT WANT THE ATTENTION SHE WAS RECEIVING.

I MUST HONOR AND CELEBRATE HER TODAY BECAUSE MAMA LUCY'S UH -- ALLOWED ME TO SPEAK OUT FOR THOSE WHO SUFFERED AND DIED IN THE WINTER STORM. WE STAND BEHIND THOSE WHO BUILT THEIR LIVES SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY. HUMAN LIVES ARE LOST WHEN THEY DO NOT CENTER THOSE MOST VULNERABLE. WE MUST HONOR ACTIONABLE AND SUSTAINABLE POLICY CHANGE SO THEY DO NOT HAVE TO SUFFER FROM THE NEXT NATURAL OR MAN-MADE DISASTER. I ASK AS YOU GOVERN TODAY AND ALWAYS THAT YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR "MAMA LUCY" AND YOU PUT THEM AT THE CENTER OF ALL OF THE DECISIONS YOU MADE.

THANK YOU. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: FRANCIS, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YOU'RE RIGHT. "MAMA LUCY" WOULDN'T HAVE WANTED ATTENTION.

THAT'S THE WAY SHE WAS. WHEN YOU HAVE BEEN A GOOD PERSON AND WHEN YOU PLAY BY THE RULES AND YOU HAVE TREATED OTHERS WITH DIGNITY AND RESPECT YOU'RE NEVER FORGOTTEN. THANK YOU AND YOUR FAMILY FOR SHARING HER.

I HOPE THAT THE FACT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THE LOSS TO YOUR FAMILY, I HOPE YOUR FAMILY ALSO RECOGNIZES THAT WE AS A BROADER COMMUNITY KNOW WE LOST A GIANT.

OUR PRAYERS ARE WITH YOU AND LET ME ALSO SAY ON BEHALF OF "MAMA LUCY", I WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND AN EARLY HAPPY BIRTHDAY. MY MOM'S BIRTHDAY IS TOMORROW AND SHE WILL BE 97. WE WILL CELEBRATE WITH "MAMA LUCY" IN MIND.

GOD BLESS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, FOR ALL OF YOUR EFFORTS AND HAPPY

BIRTHDAY TO YOUR MOTHER. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: THANK YOU. >> RODNEY ELLIS: COMMISSIONER, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT FORWARD, AND I DIDN'T KNOW "MAMA LUCY" PERSONALLY, BUT I DID MAKE IT TO FORT DAVIS ONCE. OF ALL OF THE THINGS, ON A BICYCLE CROSSING TEXAS BACK WHEN SHE WAS ON CITY COUNCIL. WHAT A BEAUTIFUL, BEAUTIFUL TOWN. I KNOW YOU ARE GONNA PASS THIS ON TO HER AS WELL.

MAKE SURE THEY DO SOMETHING FROM THE STATE TO HONOR "MAMA LUCY" AS WELL.

THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. I BELIEVE THAT THE MOTION HAS AN EDIT.

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YOU READ IT CORRECTLY. IT SHOULD READ REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A RESOLUTION TO HONOR THE LIFE OF MRS. LUCIA -GRANADO VALDEZ. WE WILL RUN IT LIKE THAT.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: AND I HAVE A SECOND RESOLUTION. ON BEHALF OF ALL EMPLOYEES OF HARRIS COUNTY. WE ARE SO GRATEFUL TO ALL OF YOU WHO WORK THROUGH THE FREEZE AND WHO LEFT YOUR HOMES TO SERVE NEIGHBORS THROUGHOUT HARRIS COUNTY.

AND FOR ALL THAT YOU ENDURED. THE DISCOMFORT AND THE FACT THAT MANY OF YOU CAME HOME TO YOUR OWN CHALLENGES OF BUSTED WATER PIPES AND RUNNING WATER AND HAVING TO TEND TO YOUR RESPECTIVE FAMILIES. TO ALL EMPLOYEES I DEDICATE THE RESOLUTION THAT COMES IN THE NAME OF PRECINCT TWO EMPLOYEES. I WANTED TO PRESENT THIS RESOLUTION BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY ALL WEATHER CONDITIONS POSE CHALLENGES TO US ALL.

BUT TO THE HISTORIC ASPECT OF THIS FREEZE AND WHAT QUICK THINKING, THE CRITICAL THINKING DID TO ENABLE THESE EMPLOYEES TO ACT AND ACT WITHOUT ASKING FOR PERMISSION, THEY JUST TOOK CARE OF BUSINESS WHICH IS THE USUAL FOR ALL OF OUR STAFF.

THIS RESOLUTION READS "WHEREAS AT 11:30 P.M. ON FEBRUARY 14TH, THE WADE CAMP ROAD AND BRIDGE CREW WAS CALLED TO LEAD AN ESCORT OF TWO EMS VEHICLES FROM METHODIST HOSPITAL IN BAY TOWN TO BENTOB HOSPITAL IN A HISTORIC STORM. WADE CAMP LEAD FOREMAN WENT TO METHODIST HOSPITAL IN BAY TOWN TO COORDINATE THE EFFORT. HE DISPATCHED TWO VEHICLES INCLUDING A SPREADER TRUCK TO METHODIST HOSPITAL IN BAY TOWN WHICH LEFT AT 12:15 A.M. ON FEBRUARY 15TH. WHEREAS THE WADE CAMP CREW ESCORTED TWO EMS VEHICLES FROM METHODIST HOSPITAL BAY TOWN TO BENTOB HOSPITAL IN THE MEDICAL CENTER CARRYING A SICK CHILD AND A PERSON WITH A GUNSHOT WOUND. WHEREAS THEY WERE LEAD BY JERRY SMITH AND PASSENGER LARRY BLADES, THE OPERATOR, FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL CORRAS -- OPERATOR -- FOREMAN. DRIVING THE SECOND VEHICLE WITH PASSENGER ROSEANNE COOKS, OPERATOR, AND WERE ESCORTED BY TWO DEPUTY VEHICLES. THIS WAS ONE OF JERRY SMITH'S LAST OFFICIAL DUTIES BEFORE HE RETIRED AT THE END OF FEBRUARY AFTER 34 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE COUNTY. AND WHEREAS THE ROADS WERE COVERED WITH ICE AND FREEZING RAIN, AND THE CREW EXPERIENCED LOW VISIBILITY DUE TO SNOW FLURRIES, THE TEAM TREATED THE BRIDGES TO ENSURE SAFE PASS -- PASSAGE WHILE ON I-10 CROSSING THE SAN JACINTO RIVER BRIDGE, THE LEAD VEHICLE LOST CONTROL DUE TO ICE ON THE BRIDGE AND WAS ABLE TO RECOVER QUICKLY TO CONTINUE WITH THE ESCORT. THEY SAFELY ARRIVED WITH NO OTHER INCIDENTS AND A TEAM LEFT THE HOSPITAL AT 1:20 A.M. RETURNING BACK TO WORK AT WADE CAMP. BE IT RESOLVED COMMISSIONER'S COURT AND COMMISSIONER ADRIAN GARCIA, PRECINCT 2, IS IMMENSELY PROUD OF THE GED -- OF THE DEDICATED SERVICE OF THE WADE CAMP ROAD CREW TO THE CITIZENS OF HARRIS COUNTY. THANK YOU, GUYS.

GUYS AND A GAL. I MADE A LITTLE EXENT THAT SHE HAD -- COMMENT THAT SHE HAD TO TEACH THE OTHER GUYS THAT SHE HAD TO TEACH THEM HOW TO GET THE JOB DONE.

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SHE WAS A PART OF THE TEAM AND TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS. WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THIS, JUDGE, I JUST HAD TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY WERE PROPERLY AND RESPECTFULLY RECOGNIZED FOR THEIR WORK. AS I MENTIONED, THIS IS PROPOSED WITH ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES IN MIND AND FOR ALL THEY DO FOR US AND FOR SO MANY AND DO IT FOR THE MOST

CHALLENGING CIRCUMSTANCES. >> I PROUDLY SECOND THE MOTION FROM PRECINCT 2 AND APPRECIATE YOU EXTENDING THE VERBAL EXTENSION TO ALL OF OUR FOLKS.

THE CAMPS IN PRECINCT 4, WHICH MAY NOT HAVE HAD THIS LONG OF A BRIDGE, BUT WE HAD SOME LONG ONES. I ESPECIALLY APPRECIATE MS. TORRES WHO HAD THE JOB OF FOLLOWING THE SPREADERS. I HAD TO CALL THE JUDGE A COUPLE OF TIMES -- THAT'S MY JOB ON OUR EMERGENCY TEAM. I THINK HE HAS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT JOB THERE.

I WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT HE WAS RECOGNIZED AS THE FOLLOWER.

WITHOUT THE FOLLOWERS -- PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE HERE, AND THEY WILL DRY RIGHT UP ON TO THAT SPREADER TRUCK AND EITHER DAMAGE THE SPREADER TRUCK BECAUSE THEY SLAM ON THE BRAKES TOO LATE BECAUSE THEY HAVE ON THE FLASHER LIGHTS, OR THEY WILL PULL UPRIGHT BEHIND IT AND TAILGATE JUST IN TIME TO FLIP ON THE SWITCH TO THROW THE ROCK.

WE DON'T CHARGE THEM. IT IS FREE OF CHARGE, THE PAINT STRIPPING JOB THEY HAVE BEFORE THEIR NEXT PAINT JOB. BUT FOR MICHAEL TORRES AND OTHER TEAMS ACROSS THE COUNTY THAT STAY IN THE BACKWARD POSITION TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF THE COUNTY VEHICLES WHEN THEY

ARE DOING THEIR JOB. >> THANK YOU. >> LUCINDA, ARE THEY ON THE

LINE? >> YES, SIR. DILL AGAIN -- LIDDA -- DILLAN

GUY. >> YES. I AM DILLON GUY AND I WANTED TO THANK COMMISSIONER GARCIA AND COMMISSIONER'S COURT FOR RECOGNIZING MY TEAM.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: SPEED OF THE PACK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP.

I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN INCLINED TO THINK THROUGH WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED OR SOMEONE ELSE WOULD HAVE HAD TO FIGURE IT OUT, BUT THANK YOU FOR BEING A GREAT LEADER OVER

THERE. >> THANK YOU, SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. BYE-BYE.

>> LINA HIDALGO: I KNOW COMMISSIONER GARCIA MADE A MOTION AND COMMISSIONER CAGLE MADE A SECOND. LET'S TAKE A VOTE ON IT. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> I. >> I. >> I.

>> I. >> LINA HIDALGO: MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

WAS THIS IT FOR YOUR RESOLUTIONS? YES, SIR.

YES, MA'AM, I'M SORRY. I WAS THINKING OF MR. DE LEON.

HE IS A MAN OF FEW WORDS. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER CAGLE.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: THANK YOU. WE HAVE TWO RESOLUTIONS WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT AT THIS TIME. THE FIRST ONE INCLUDES THE KLEIN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. IN 1938 A RURAL SCHOOL DISTRICT BECAME KLEIN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT. THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WAS NAMED AFTER ADAM KLEIN.

A SETTLER WHO NAMED MANY TO THE AREA IN 1856 AND IT IS NOW ONE OF THE LARGEST SCHOOL DISTRICTS SHIVING -- SERVING 53,000 STUDENTS. WHERE UNDER DR. JENNI -- JENNY MCGOWAN WHERE EXCELLENCE AND INNOVATION AND EDUCATION ARE HIGHLY VALUED AND PROMOTED AND WHEREAS OVER THE 83-YEAR HISTORY KLEIN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT RECEIVED NUMEROUS AWARDS AND ACCOLADES LEADING TO, AND THIS IS WHY WE ARE HERE TODAY, ITS NOMINATION AS THE NATIONAL DISTRICT -- THE NATIONAL DISTRICT OF 2 SWRSH -- 2021.

THEY HAVE INNOVATIVE PROGRAMS SUCH AS WATER WARRIORS AND OPERATION LIFELINE AND KLEIN SERVES AND KLEIN PLEDGE TO DISTANCE AND CULTURE FOR CARING.

AND WHEREAS THIS PRESTIGIOUS AWARD CREATES A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR DR. MCGOWAN AND THE SUPERINTENDENTS OF THE DISTRICT TO RECEIVE OUR COMMUNITY'S DEEPEST GRATITUDE, AND NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT HARRIS COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S COURT RECOGNIZES AND HONORS THE KLEIN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR EXCELLENCE IN INNOVATION IN HARRIS COUNTY. JUDGE I MOVE THAT WE HONOR KLEIN INDEPENDENT SCHOOL

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DISTRICT AND DR. MCGOWAN. WE CALL HER DR. J. WE HAVE A -- WE HAVE GOT A DR. G AND A DR. L WE HAVE SO MANY DOCTORS IN THE PRECINCT FOUR SERVES 9 SCHOOL DISTRICTS. I AM PROUD OF THIS RECOGNITION AS THE NOMINATION FOR NATIONAL

DISTRICT OF DUO -- 2021. >> TOM RAMSEY: SECOND THAT, JUDGE.

>> LINA HIDALGO: THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE FEET. DO WE HAVE DR. MCGOWAN ON THE

LINE. >> YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

ON BEHALF OF THOSE 53,000 STUDENTS AND 7,000 EMPLOYEES AND A QUARTER MILLION PEOPLE IN KLEIN ISD, WE ARE HONORED TO BE THE NATIONAL DISTRICT OF THE YEAR.

AND WE ARE SO PARTICULARLY PROUD TO BE PART OF COMMISSIONER CAGLE'S PRECINCT 4 AND GRATEFUL FOR HIS LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU FOR THIS RECOGNITION AND FOR THIS HONOR. CONGRATULATIONS, DR. MCGOWAN AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP DURING ALL OF THESE CHALLENGES. APPRECIATE WORKING WITH YOU.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: AND NOW IT'S OFFICIAL. PRECINCT 4 LOVES YOU AND THE

WHOLE COUNTY LOVES YOU. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE ARE GRATEFUL TO SERVE OUR

STUDENTS AND TO BE PART OF A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY. >> LINA HIDALGO: YOU HAVE

ANOTHER RESOLUTION, COMMISSIONER, CAGLE? >> R. JACK CAGLE: YES, YOUR HONOR. IN TIMES OF CRISIS THERE ARE A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE -- WHO STEP UP AND HELP OUT, WHO NORMALLY AREN'T CALLED UPON. WE SOMETIMES FORGET THEY ARE THERE EXCEPT THAT WE NEED TO GO BY THEM ALL THE TIME AS A MERCHANT IN OUR COMMUNITY.

TODAY I ASK WE RECOGNIZE ONE OF THESE FOLKS THAT DID NOT HAVE TO DO SOMETHING, BUT HAVE DONE SO. AND NOT ONLY HAVE THEY DONE IT, BUT THEY HAVE DONE IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. ONCE AGAIN IN OUR LAST ICE POCK LIPS -- ICE-POCOLYPSS OR SNOW-POCOLYPSE, WE CAN PROVIDE HELP TO BE A RESOURCE TO PROVIDE WATER AND A RESOURCE TO AID OUR COMMUNITIES. I WILL READ THE RESOLUTION WHICH IS WHEREAS THE H-E-B GROCERY STORES COME FROM THE HUMBLE BEGINNINGS OF A SMALL FAMILY GROCERY STORE NESTLED IN THE HEART OF TEXAS HILL COUNTRY THAT OPENED IN 1905. WITH UN -- UNPARALLELED COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE H-E-B HAS GROWN INTO A TEXAS GIANT. H-E-B SERVES FAMILIES ALL OVER TEXAS AND MEXICO AND 155 COMMUNITIES WITH MORE THAN 340 STORES.

OVER 100,000 EMPLOYEES. WHEREAS H-E-B, THE HERE EVERYTHING IS BETTER STORE CELEBRATES 116 YEARS OF SERVICE AND IS THE NATION'S LARGEST INDEPENDENTLY-OWNED FOOD RETAILER. H-E-B'S COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE WITH PROGRAMS SUCH AS EXCELLENCE IN EDUCATION WITH 6,000 CASH PRIZES TO OUTSTANDING EDUCATORS ANNUALLY. AND WHEREAS IN HARRIS COUNTY PRECINCT 4 OUR LOCAL H-E-B MARKETS EXPRESSED AN INTEREST TO THE COMMUNITY'S NEEDS THAT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CALL OF DUTY BY PARTNERING WITH THE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, VETERAN ORGANIZATIONS AND THE SCHOOLS, ENSURING THAT EACH ARE WELL SUPPLIED AND THEY PROVIDE FOR THE NEEDS OF ALL.

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED COMMISSIONER'S COURT RECOGNIZES H-E-B MARKET MANAGER, MARK STR RUZ, DAVID HAMILTON AND H -- AND TOMBALL MANAGER FOR THEIR DEDICATION, COULDN'T -- CONTRIBUTION AND GENEROSITY NOT ONLY TO RESIDENTS IN PRECINCT 4, BUT TO THOSE IN HARRIS COUNTY AND BEYOND. THEY ARE NOT IN THE RESOLUTION, BUT ALSO A SHOUTOUT TO PATTY WHO MAY BE ON THE LINE HERE IN A MINUTE, AND A COUPLE OF OTHER FOLKS. AND TERRY WILLIAMS WHO IS ALSO SOMEONE THERE TO ASSIST AND HELP US OUT. JUDGE, THE GRAND POOBAH OF H-E-B IS ALSO ON THE BOARD THAT HELPS RAISE FUNDS FOR THOSE WHO ARE HURT DURING HARVEY.

AND WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE HIM AS WELL. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER

ELLIS. >> RODNEY ELLIS: THANK YOU, JUDGE.

COMMISSIONER CAGLE, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS FORWARD. H-E-B IS SUCH AN INSTITUTION AND YOU MENTIONED SCOTT MCCALL AND I AM PROUD -- HIS NAME IS ONE OF THOSE THAT REALLY THE JUDGE AND THE MAYOR RECOMMENDED FOR PRE SINK 1 TO APPOINT TO -- PRECINCT 1 TO APPOINT TO OUR RECOVERY FUND. HE AGREED TO DO IT AND DID A FANTASTIC JOB TO BRING IN BIG DOLLARS. AND CHARLES B -- CHARLES THE OWNER HELPING TO RAISE YOUR

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HAND AND HELPING TO DO SO MUCH FOR OUR SCHOOLS AROUND THE STATE.

HERON WHO I THINK OVER IN GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS HAS BEEN ACTIVE.

SHE HELPS US OUT WITH THE PROGRAMS. THEY DO A GREAT JOB.

IT IS NOT JUST IN OUR REGION, BUT ALL AROUND THE STATE. POLICE PASS MY RECORDS TO MR. BUD AND MR. CULLEN. MR. MCCULLEN. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT

FORWARD. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: LIKEWISE. I WANT TO ADD MY APPRECIATION. IT IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT TO RICK COG NIGHS -- RECOGNIZE GOOD CORPORATE PARTNERS. MY COMMENT AS WELL FOR APPRECIATION AND RESPECT FOR THE FAMILY SWRAL -- VALUES THAT THE FAMILY HAS GIVEN WITHIN THE INSTITUTION THAT WE CALL H-E-B. CONTINUE TO ENJOY SHOPPING THERE AS WELL.

THANK YOU. >> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAVE SOMEONE HERE

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ON BEHALF OF H-E-B. IS THAT RIGHT, LUCINDA? >> YES, MA'AM.

WE HAVE SEVERAL SPEAKERS. >> LINA HIDALGO: GREAT. >> DAVID HAM MILE-PER-HOUR TON

-- DAVID HAMILTON. GO AHEAD. >> HELLO, YOUR HONOR AND MEMBERS OF PRECINCT 4 AND ALL OF THOSE ON THE CALL. I WANT TO PERSONALLY THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT IN THE AREA. I CAN'T THANK PRECINCT 4 ENOUGH FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT WITH OUR STORE HERE IN FAIR FIELD.

WE FEEL LIKE WE CAN CALL ON YOU FOR ANYTHING WHETHER IT BE IT HELPING US OUT WITH SHORTAGE OF TOILET PAPER AND PAPER TOWELS AND MANAGING CROWD CONTROL.

IT IS OUR HONOR TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR

EVERYTHING YOU ALL DO FOR US. >> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU. >> PATTY JAMES WITH H-E-B.

GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> I JUST WANT TO TAG ON TO MR. HAMILTON'S COMMENTS.

WE ARE EXCEPTIONALLY PROUD TO BE A PART OF SUCH A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY.

WE ABSOLUTELY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING DONE FOR OUR PRECINCT.

WE ARE HONORED TO BE A SMALL PART OF HELPING OUR COMMUNITY, AND IN ANYWAY THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN. WE APPRECIATE OUR CUSTOMERS AND APPRECIATE OUR LEADERSHIP AND APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TODAY AND RECOGNIZING THAT COMMITMENT.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: THANK YOU. >> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> TOM TRUVER WITH TOMBALL MARKET, H-E-B. >> GOOD AFTERNOON.

ALL THE FOLKS DOWN THERE AT COMMISSIONER'S COURT, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IT'S A PRIVILEGE. I MUST TELL YOU IT'S A PRIVILEGE FOR US TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY. WE TALK ABOUT THE CORE VALUES AND IT IS ALL ABOUT SERVICE.

IT IS SERVICE TO OUR PARTNERS AND SERVICE TO OUR CUSTOMERS. IT IS SERVICE STOT -- SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU TO PRECINCT 4 AND TOMBALL AND EVERYTHING TO HELP US OUT. I AM AMAZED BY THIS GROUP. AGAIN, IT IS A PRIVILEGE FOR US TO BE A PART OF SOMETHING AS GREAT AS THIS AND THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP DURING THIS TIME AND YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL

TO BROADEN THE EFFORTS. >> MIKE STRUTS. GO AHEAD, PLEASE.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYONE ON THE CALL. I DO GREATLY WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING US TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION. I I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYONE, BUT HAVE I 125 PARTNERS HERE.

AND WE ALL WOULD LIKE TO SAY WE ARE HONORED FOR THE RECOGNITION.

WE ARE ALWAYS GLAD TO HELP IN ANYWAY POSSIBLE. WE ARE GLAD TO BE PART OF THE PRECINCT HERE. ANYTHING WE CAN DO WE ARE GLAD TO HELP.

YOU FOLKS IN PRECINCT FOUR ARE ALWAYS READY ANYTIME WE NEED ANY ASSISTANCE.

YOU ARE ALWAYS THERE FOR YOU. WE APPRECIATE THE PARTNERSHIP.

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IT WORKS FOR THE COMMUNITY IN A GREAT WAY. AGAIN, I APPRECIATE THE RECOGNITION AND WE ARE GLAD TO BE PART OF THE PRE SINK 4 COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. >> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> JUDGE, THOSE WERE ALL THE SPEAKERS ON THIS ITEM. >> LINA HIDALGO: PER FEBLGHT -- PERFECT. THANK YOU. THOSE WOULD BE ALL OF THE RESOLUTIONS. WE WILL NOW TAKE ANY SPEAKERS WE HAVEN'T HEARD FROM.

WE HAVE VERY FEW TODAY, ACTUALLY. >> YES, MA'AM, WE DO.

>> LINA HIDALGO: LET'S HEAR THE SPEAKERS. >> JACOB CLEM MEN TECH.

>> I WOULD LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THE SUBSIDEE OF HAVING THE PUBLIC SPEAK BEFORE IN THE PRESENCE OF THE HONORABLE COMMISSIONER'S COURT PEOPLE. WELL, AS ADDITIONS INCREASE, THERE IS LESS PERCEPTION. I BELIEVE THERE IS GREATER FEEDBACK IF A PERSON OR PEOPLE ARE CLOSER TOGETHER TO REASONABLE AND SOCIAL DISTANCE TO FEEDBACK CONCERNS ABOUT THE COUNTY. NOW WHAT I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT IS VACCINES.

IN VACCINES I WAS GOING THROUGH MY LETTERS AND THINGS THAT I HAVE KEPT.

MY FIRST LETTER FROM A POLITICIAN WAS FROM THE HONORABLE GENE GREEN OF THAT CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICT. AND THEN CRENSHAW, THE REPUBLICAN OF DISTRICT 2.

AND THEN RODNEY ELLIS OF PRE -- PRECINCT AND HONORABLE JACK CAGLE OF PRECINCT 4 AND WHEN HE WAS A COMMISSIONER, STEVE RADACK OF PRECINCT 3. I ALSO GOT A LETTER WHILE -- A LETTER FROM STATE SENATOR LAURA SMALLS. THE LETTER FROM SMALLS AND GENE GREEN WAS THEM TALKING TO ME WHILE THEY WERE NOT IN MY MY -- NOT IN SUPPORT OF MY POSITION ON THE NECESSITY OF GETTING RID OF PRO-KILL. IT IS NOT PRO-CHOICE.

IT IS PRO-KILL. I AM PRO-LIFE. I'M CHRISTIAN.

I AM CATHOLIC. HEY, I BELIEVE THE BODY IS THE TEMPLE FOR GOD.

YOU WANT TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR CONSTITUANTS AND THAT IS PAST -- [INAUDIBLE].

WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY TO THE HONORABLE JUDGE IS HAPPY WOMAN'S HISTORY MONTH.

THAT IS WHAT MARCH IS DEEMED TO BE. SHE DOES THE RIGHT THINGS, AND WHILE THIS TRANSPARENCY AND WITH THE COMMISSIONERS IT IS VERY WISE.

>> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU. >> VERDEL INGRAM WITH ADVOCATE HOMES.

>> GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU, JUDGE, AND COMMISSIONERS FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY. I AM COMING TO YOU TODAY TO LET YOU KNOW THE $159 MILLION FOR RENTAL ASSISTANCE FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON IN HARRIS COUNTY.

I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE AWARE THAT YOUR EFFORTS HAVE BEEN UNDERMINING THE HOUSTON HOUSING AUTHORITY, AND ARE NOT ALIGNED. THEY ARE SENDING THE CHECKS TO HAVE RENT PAID. BUT THEY ARE BEING SENT BACK BY THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY. THEY ARE IN PUBLIC HOUSING AND YOU CANNOT RECEIVE THE FUNDS TO PAY REPRESENT. THERE ARE MOTHERS AND EVERYONE IN HERE RECEIVING RENT CHECKS FOR $3,000 AND $1800 TO GET THEIR WENT PAID. IT IS BEING SENT BACK.

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THERE WAS ONE COMMISSIONER TODAY THAT SAID NOBODY ASKED FOR HIS HELP.

I AM ASKING FOR EVERYBODY'S HELP. PLEASE.

WE DO PAY RENT HERE. WE PAY 30% OF THE GROSS THAT WE WORK.

EVEN AFTER THE TAXES BEING TAKEN OUT, WE STILL PAY 30% OF THE GROSS, NOT THE NET.

PLEASE, PLEASE HELP THESE RENT CHECKS GET APPLIED FOR THE RENT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP. >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE I WILL HAVE SOMEBODY CALL HER AND SEE IF WE CAN GET TO THE BOTTOM OF IT.

MA'AM -- SOME IS RODNEY ELLIS, SOMEBODY WILL CALL YOU FROM MY OFFICE.

>> THANK YOU. >> RODNEY ELLIS: THANK YOU. >> CHRISHELLE-PILAY.

GO AHEAD. >> GOOD AFTERNOON. I AM WITH THE HOME COALITION, AND I AM HERE TODAY TO REALLY UP LIFT THE NEED FOR SWIFT RECOVERY REGARDING WINTER STORM FURY AND WE NEED TO HIGHLIGHT THE NEED FOR RACIAL INEQUITY IN OUR RECOVERY EFFORTS. WINTER STORM FURY PRESENTED ITSELF AS ANOTHER EQUAL OPPORTUNITY STORM, BUT WE KNOW THAT THE END RESULT -- THE RECOVERY EFFORT IS RARELY EQUITABLE. WE ALSO KNOW THAT FEDERAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE A DISASTER DECLARATION. BUT IT WILL HIT SOME COMMUNITIES HARDER THAN OTHERS. JUST A QUICK STAT TO SHARE THE DISPARITY THAT CONTINUES TO EXIST IS LOW INCOME BLACK AND LATINO COMMUNITIES OFTEN BEAR THE BRUNT WHEN IT COMES TO STRUCTURAL RACIAL INEQUALITY WHEN IT COMES TO RECOVERY. AFTER HARVEY, WHITE RESIDENTS OF HIGHER INCOME COMMUNITIES RECEIVED AN AVERAGE OF $60,000 IN FEMA ASSISTANCE WHILE BLACK RESIDENTS EARNED -- OR RECEIVED $84. ALTHOUGH HARRIS COUNTY HAS BEEN TAKING STEPS TOWARD ADDRESSING EQUITY IN THE FLOOD BOND PACKAGE, THE PRESENTATION EARLIER FROM THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT UNDERSCORE THAT'S WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING IS NOT ENOUGH. WE HAVE TO BE VIGILANT IN ADDRESSING THESE LONG-STANDING LEGACIES. WE ARE URGING THAT THE COUNTY STEPS FORWARD AND TAKE SOME STEPS. WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE COUNTY WORK CLOSELY WITH THE CITY OF HOUSTON TO EXPAND, STRENGTHEN AND ENFORCE THE EVICTION RACE.

RACE PERIOD. OVER 600 EVICTIONS HAVE BEEN FILED.

AND THERE HAVE BEEN -- THERE WERE OVER 126 EVICTION HEARINGS THE WEEK THE STORM HAPPENED. THERE ARE SO MANY TENNANTS THAT NEED PROTECTION.

WE NEED TO STAND WITH THESE TENNANTS AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR HOMES. ALSO AS PUBLIC OFFICIALS YOU ARE ENCOURAGED TO LOBBY STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO ADDRESS THESE NEEDS. A BIG THANK YOU TO GOVERNOR ELLIS TO REQUEST GOVERNOR ABBOTT FOR FOOD ASSISTANCE. WE KNOW THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION IS WILLING TO PROVIDE THE ASSISTANCE WHEN GOVERNOR ABBOTT ASKS FOR IT.

WE WANT TO REALLY PUSH THAT BECAUSE WE -- IT IS NOT JUST HARRIS COUNTY THAT IS HURTING. IT IS ALL OF TEXAS THAT COULD BENEFIT FROM THIS.

ALSO, TO DEEPEN THE EFFORTS TO DIRECT THE RESOURCES AND AGAIN, WE KNOW THAT EQUITY GITE LINE -- GUIDELINES AND THERE IS SIMPLY NOT ENOUGH TO COMPLETE EVERY PROJECT.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT AFFORDABLE COMMUNITIES ARE PRIORITIZED.

AND WE REALLY WANT TO PUSH FOR HOME REPAIR WEATHERIZATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

ONE MONTH FOLLOWING THE STORM THOUSANDS OF RESIDENTS STILL DON'T HAVE RUNNING WATER BECAUSE OF THE DAMAGED PIPES. WE NEED TO REALLY MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO RESTORE

THE WATER IN THESE HOMES. WE KNOWS -- >> LINA HIDALGO: I HAVE TO

STOP YOU. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU.

>> LINA HIDALGO: GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER. >> RODNEY ELLIS: MS. PILAY, I WANT TO THANK YOU. I SAW THE OP-ED YOU WROTE, I THINK, IN THE CHRONICLE.

PARTICULARLY I WAS STRUCK BY RICE UNIVERSITY AND UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH STUDY FROM 99 TO 2013 ON NATURAL DISASTERS IN HOUSTON INCREASED HOUSTON'S RACIAL WEALTH GAP BY 87,000.

I JUST APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU ARE DOING. I SENT A RESOLUTION TO MY COLLEAGUES AND I WILL MAKE SURE MY STAFF SENDS IT TO YOU SO THAT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN TAKE SOME OF OUR FEDERAL MONEY OR OUR MONEY TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GETTING THE WORD OUT SO PEOPLE FIGURE OUT HOW TO WORK AROUND THE ISSUES OF LIKE A LOW CREDIT SCORE.

OFTENTIMES THAT HAS A DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACT ON WOMEN.

OFTEN TIMES THEIR HUSBAND WAS HANDLING IT AND THEN MAY PASS AWAY AND THEY GET SEPARATED OR DIVORCED AND FIND OUT IT WASN'T BEING HANDLED AS WELL AS THEY THOUGHT.

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AND THEN THEY HAVE A BAD CREDIT SCORE AND IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT.

I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO. WE HAD A SPIRITED DISCUSSION ON THE EQUITY GUIDELINES FROM THE FLOOD CONTROL MONEY EARLIER. I JUST APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO. IT CAUGHT MY ATTENTION AND IT WAS NOT FOR ME ABOUT THE

STUDY. THANK YOU FOR THE WORK. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> JUDGE, THOSE WERE ALL OF THE SPEAKERS THAT WERE AGENDA-RELATED.

WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE NONAGENDA. >> LINA HIDALGO: OKAY.

LET'S TAKE THOSE. >> THANK YOU. MARY WARWICK WITH TDRC

WILDLIFE CENTER. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. >> GOOD AFTERNOON, JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH YOU TODAY.

TWRC IS A NONPROFIT WILDLIFE CENTER THAT IS REHABILITATING INJURED AND ORPHANED WILDLIFE IN THE HOUSTON COUNTY AREA FOR 40 YEARS. WE RECEIVE NO FEDERAL STATE, CITY OR COUNTY FUNDING. THE ANIMALS WE RECEIVE COME TO US BECAUSE HUMANS HAVE ENCROACHED ON THEIR HABITAT. THEY ARE HIT BY CARS, STRIKE HOUSE AND BUILDING WINDOWS WHEN FLYING, OR CAUGHT BY DOGS AND CATS AND HAVE THEIR NEST DESTROYED WHEN TREES ARE REMOVED. WE ARE REGULATED BY THE TEXAS PARKS AND WILDLIFE DEPARTMENT. NEW REGULATION THAT'S STARTED JANUARY 15TH OF THIS YEAR REQUIRE US TO HAVE WRITTEN PERMISSION TO RELEASE ANIMALS ON ANY PROPERTY.

AND WE MUST DOCUMENT THE GPS LOCATION OF EACH RELEASE. I AM COMING TO YOU TO RELEASE REHABILITATED ANIMALS AT YOUR PARKS. WE DO NOT REHABILITATE DEER, ALLAH GATER AND INVASIVE -- DEER, ALLIGATORS AND A FEW POSSUMS AND NATIVE DUCKS, TURTLES AND SONG BIRDS AND RAPTORS WHICH L HAWKS AND THAT TYPE OF BIRD.

ALL OF OUR ANIMALS HAVE RESTRICTIVE HUMAN CONTACT DURING REHABILITATION AND NOT HABITUATED TO HUMANS. WE PREFER TO RELEASE THEM AS FAR FROM HUMANS AS POSSIBLE.

WE LOOK FOR CLEAR, WARM DAYS AND EVENINGS TO RELEASE SO ANIMALS HAVE A TIME TO SHELTER BEFORE BAD WEATHER MOVES IN. WE MUST ALSO COORDINATE RELEASES FOR STAFF WITH VOLUNTEER TIME. THEREFORE, IT IS DIFFICULT FOR US TO GIVE MANY DAY DAYS NOTICE: WE ASK ACCESS TO PARKS ONE DAY'S NOTICE IF POSSIBLE.

EACH OF YOU HAVE MANY PARKS IN YOUR PRECINCTS AND MANY AREN'T CONDUCIVE TO WILDLIFE RELEASES SUCH AS NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS. IF POSSIBLE, PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE FROM YOUR PARKS DEPARTMENT EMAIL ME AT OPERATIONS -- O-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N-S, AT TWRC WILDLIFE CENTER.ORG. OR CALL ME DIRECTLY AT 713-208-8886 SO WE DAN SET UP A -- SO WE CAN SET UP A MEETING ON WHERE WE MAY RELEASE AND THE TERMS OF THE RELEASE. IF I DON'T HEAR FROM ANYBODY I WILL CONTACT YOUR PARKS DEPARTMENT DIRECTLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND ATTENTION.

HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> TOM RAMSEY: MS. WARWICK, THIS IS TOM RAMSEY FROM PRECINCT 3. I WILL HAVE SOMEBODY REACH OUT AND TALK TO YOU.

>> GREAT, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH. >> TOM RAMSEY: THANK YOU.

>> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU. >> R. JACK CAGLE: IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU GOT MY PHONE CALL.

MY VOICE MESSAGE. >> I DID. THANK YOU.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: THINGS TO INCLUDE. >> I D THANK YOU.

I DID. THANK YOU. >> KATH LYNN CHRISMAN.

KATHLEEN CHRISMAN. GO AHEAD, PLEASE. MS. CHRISMAN?

>> HI. I AM KATHLEEN CHRISMAN AND I AM A RESIDENT -- PRESIDENT OF PRECINCT 6 THRIVE -- 637. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT FIGHTING THE I-45 EXPANSION.

WE CAN BREATHE EASIER KNOWING YOU ARE ALL ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS CONTENTIOUS ISSUE.

SO THANK YOU. I AM CALLING TODAY TO ASK FOR YOUR HELP IN ADVOCATING FOR RESIDENTS IN CLAYTON HOMES AND BETTER HOUSING POLICY FOR HOUSTON AND HARRIS COUNTY.

IN YOUR RESPONSE TO THE FEIS YOU MENTIONED YOUR CONCERN TO THE DEPLETION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND RELOCATING RESIDENTS IN THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOODS.

THE HOUSTON HOUSING AUTHORITY AND TEXDOT ARE FAILING THE RESIDENTS AND MISLEADING THEM ABOUT THEIR OPTIONS AND CONFINING THEM TO FAR AWAY OR ENVIRONMENTALLY UNSOUND REPLACEMENT HOUSING. THE HHA COULD MOVE RESIDENTS INTO SAY THE AND SANITARY HOUSING PRIOR TO THE DEMOLITION OF THEIR HOME. INSTEAD THEY ARE CHOOSING TO PARTNER WITH A WEALTHY DEVELOPER TO FORM A CORPORATION AND MAXIMIZE

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PROFITS EVEN THOUGH IT WILL HURT RESIDENTS AND FURTHER DEPLETE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS IN HOUSTON. THEY APPEAR TO BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THEY DO NOT SERVE RENTERS. AS LONG AS THEY PRESERVE 51% OF UNITS OR RENTERS EARNING 80% ABOUT 63,000 FOR A FAMILY OF FOUR, THEY NEVER PAY PROPERTY TAXES ON THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT MEANS 49% OF THE UNITS ARE MARKET AND THEY DO NOT PAY TAXES ON THEM. FOR COMPARISON, THEY ARE 18%. AMI.

RESIDENTS ARE PROMISED VOUCHERS TO TEST FOR ONE MOVE.

THE UNITS WON'T BE READY FOR TWO OR MORE YEARS SO THEY WILL MOVE WITH NO PLANS TO SUPPORT THEM WHEN THE UNITS ARE READY. RESIDENTS ARE NOT GIVEN THE FULL PICTURE AND THEY ARE TURNING A PROFIT. THE FHA IS RESPONSIBLE.

AND THERE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS. IT IS A NO 1 CONTAMINATED SITE AND CLOSER TO THE CANCER CLUSTERS IN THE FIFTH WARD AND CLOSER TO THE FREEWAY.

THE NOISE LEVELS WILL VIOLATE HUD REQUIREMENTS AND THEY WILL WAIVE THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY IF THEY PROMISE FOR A SOUND WALL. HOWEVER, THE EXPANDED FREEWAY WILL BE 80 FEET TALL. RESIDENTS LIVING IN THE FACILITY WILL BREATHE THE AIR AND LIVE WITH THE CONSTANT STRESS OF FREEWAY NOISE POLLUTION.

WE ARE ALSO HEARING FROM RESIDENTS THAT MAY SEE ISSUES GETTING WORSE WHEN IT COMES TO TEXDOT. PETS AND SEWAGE GO IGNORED. RESIDENTS HAVE TO DO COMMUNITY -- THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT TRUE ANYMORE. THEY WAIVED THAT RECENTLY.

SO THIS IS JUST AN ISSUE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR

WORK IN OPPOSING THE 45 EXPANSION. >> THANK YOU.

>> JUDGE, THOSE WERE ALL OF THE SPEAKERS WE COULD REACH. >> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU, LUCINDA. WHOA HAVEN'T -- SO WE HAVEN'T HAD A LUNCH BREAK.

[ Departments (Part 3 of 4)]

WHAT I SUGGEST IS THAT WE PASS THE CONSENT AGENDA AND WE CAN COME BACK AND DISCUSS.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: SO MOVED. >> LINA HIDALGO: LET ME LIST THE DIFFERENT ITEMS. LET ME LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT ITEMS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THEM ALL.

LET'S FIRST FIGURE OUT WHICH OF THE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS WE NEED TO ACTUALLY CUSS.

SO -- TO DISCUSS. ITEM 220, DO WE NEED TO GO BACK FOR THE APPOINTMENT OF

CRISTINA GARZA? >> NO. >> LINA HIDALGO: 221 WE DO NEED TO DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION BECAUSE THAT IS THE APPOINTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTOR. 222 IS COMMISSIONER GARCIA'S REAPPOINTMENT OF MR. DARYL --

MR. DARRELL MORRISON. >> NO. >> LINA HIDALGO: 223 IS THE REUH -- REAPPOINTMENT OF THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. AND THEN SUPPLEMENTAL ITEMS, DO FOLKS NEED TO GO BACK ON COMMERCIAL PAPER FUNDING FOR UNIVERSAL SERVICES? JUROR PAY IS BEING -- IS NO ACTION. COUNTY ATTORNEY DO WE NEED TO

DISCUSS NORMAN -- NORTON ROSE FULL BRIGHT? >> NO, BUT WE NEED TO GO BACK

ON 228. >> LINA HIDALGO: HOW ABOUT 227, THE DOCUMENT RETENTION

POLICY? >> NO. >> LINA HIDALGO: SO WE NEED TO GO BACK ON 228COATS VERSUS HARRIS COUNTY. AND WE HAVE 229 CONTRACTS FOR

INDIGENT DEFENSE -- >> RODNEY ELLIS: I WILL PULL THAT ONE, JUDGE.

>> LINA HIDALGO: I THINK THOSE ARE ALL OF THE POSSIBLE EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN MY LIST OF ITEMS THAT WOULD -- THAT WE -- BASED ON WHAT EVERYBODY HAS SENT THAT WE WILL DISCUSS WHEN WE RETURN WOULD BE AS FOLLOWS: -- AND

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LET ME KNOW IF I MISSED THEM. ITEM 4, ANALYST OFFICE ON THE DISTRIBUTION VACCINATIONS.

ITEM 5, PUBLIC HEALTH OPERATIONAL PUBLIC FUNDING REQUESTS.

ITEM 8, AGREEMENT WITH THE UT HEALTH VACCINE DATA. ITEM 9, PURCHASING AGENT AGREEMENT WITH BACENA. ITEM 10 MY BROAD COVID ITEM. 11 COMMISSIONER RAMSEY'S ON MEETING IN PERSON. 12 COMMISSIONER CAGLE'S DISCUSSION.

ITEM 34 -- >> R. JACK CAGLE: I THINK MY ITEM 12 WAS CONTINGENT UPON SOME OTHER THINGS AND IT HAS BEEN RESOLVED. I DON'T THINK THAT NEEDS TO GO

BACK AT THIS TIME. >> LINA HIDALGO: ITEM 34, I THINK THOSE ARE JUST THE ITEM THAT'S HAVE -- WHERE THERE NEEDS TO BE A CHANGE. ITEM 34 IS A CHANGE IN CONTRACT WITH NEW AGE GENERAL CONTRACTORS. ITEM 45GEOSURV, INC.

ITEM 69 PERSONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH JACK PETERSON. >> R. JACK CAGLE: DID YOU SAY ITEM 45 WAS BEING PULLED? I DID NOT SEE THAT ON THE -- I MEAN --

>> LINA HIDALGO: THIS LIST IS TOO LONG. IT SEEMS -- IT SEEMS REALLY ODD. I THINK -- I DON'T KNOW WHY I HAVE --

>> JUDGE 45 IS INCORRECT. >> LINA HIDALGO: OKAY. HOW ABOUT -- LOOK, WE'RE LEARNING AS WE GO. HOW ABOUT LET ME DO THE CORRECTIONS RIGHT NOW.

LET ME JUST DO THE CORRECTIONS. ITEM 45 HAS A CORRECTION THAT IS SUPPOSED TO SAY CHANGE PROFESSIONAL ON CALL ENGINEERING SERVICES TO PROFESSIONAL ON CALL SURVEYING SERVICES. AND THEN ITEM 104 WE PRESENTED. AND 121 ON JUSTICE ADMINISTRATION DEPARTMENT THEY REQUEST NO AGO. NO ACTION. ITEM 159 PAGE 20 UNDER

PURCHASING THEY REQUEST NO ACTION. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: WHICH ITEM

WAS THAT ONE? >> LINA HIDALGO: ITEM 159 UNDER PURCHASING.

THAT IS A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF A STATE OF TEXAS DEPARTMENT OF INFORMATION RESOURCES COOPERATIVE CONTRACT PURCHASE FROM GARTNER. THEY ARE REQUESTING NO ACTION. AND THEN NUMBER 239 ON ALEXANDER DEUSSEN PARK REQUESTS NO ACTION. AND ITEM 240 IS A CORRECTION. IT IS FROM 271 TREES TO 223 TREES. AND ITEM 242 ON PAGE 29, PERMISSION TO FLY VACCINES TO RURAL AREAS OF TEXAS. THAT'S A REQUEST FOR NO ACTION.

SO THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NO ACTION OR HAVE CHANGES. AND I AM GONNA GO BACK UP TO

THE ONES THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS. >> JUDGE, I BELIEVE 225 IS

ALSO A TAKE NO ACTION. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: I HAVE IT LISTED AS A NO ACTION.

>> LINA HIDALGO: YES. 225 IS ALSO LISTED AS A NO ACTION.

CORRECT. SO THOSE ARE ALL OF THE NO ACTIONS AND THE CHANGES.

AND THIN -- AND THEN THE ONES THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS ARE NUMBER 4 THE DISTRIBUTION OF COVID-19 VACCINATIONS. NUMBER FIVE IS WE DO NEED TO DISCUSS THE $18.3 MILLION FOR

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PUBLIC HEALTH. NUMBER 8 -- DOES ANYBODY REQUEST A DISCUSSION ON THE UT HEALTH AGREEMENT ANALYTICS WITH THE PURCHASING AGENT? I DON'T SEE WHY WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT. IT IS JUST A TESTING AGREEMENT.

>> IT WAS REQUESTED DURING THE CONSENT AGENDA LIST. IT COULD BE CHANGED NOW.

>> LINA HIDALGO: OKAY. I WILL TAKE THAT OUT. AND ITEM 9 IS ANOTHER TESTING SERVICES AGREEMENT WHICH I'M OKAY -- I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON.

NUMBER 10 IS THE BROAD COVID ITEM WHICH WE DO NEED TO DISCUSS.

NUMBER 11 IS COMMISSIONER RAMSEY'S DISCUSSION WHICH WE DO NEED TO HAVE.

AND THEN NUMBER 34 -- >> JUDGE, 34, YOU CAN TAKE THAT ONE OFF.

I WILL COVER THAT -- I COVERED THAT IN ANOTHER AREA. >> LINA HIDALGO: WE COVERED 34. NUMBER 45 WAS AN EDIT SO I AM TAKING THAT OFF.

I WILL READ THESE AT THE END, JAMES. NUMBER 69 DID WE NEED TO DISCUSS THE PERSONAL SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH JACK PETERSON? NO?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: WELL, JUDGE, I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. >> LINA HIDALGO: OKAY.

I'LL KEEP THAT ONE. NUMBER 88 THE CIP WE VETTED ON. WE VOTE OWED THAT.

NUMBER 89 ON THE ROLL OVER POLICY. I BELIEVE WE NEEDED TO DISCUSS THAT ONE. YES. NUMBER 97 REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF 13 POSITIONS TO REPLACE EXISTING CONTRACTORS ASSOCIATED WITH NO CHANGE TO THE BUDGET. DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT ONE?

>> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE, I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED MUCH DISCUSSION, BUT THERE IS A POSITION -- THERE IS ONE POSITION M -- THIS THAT AND IT IS RELATED TO THE CONSENT

DECREE AND I WANT TO VOTE ONE ON THAT POSITION. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: SO MOVED.

>> LINA HIDALGO: I WILL JUST KEEP THAT ONE THEN, COMMISSIONER CAGLE.

WE WILL VOTE ON IT. JUST SO WE CAN KEEP DOING -- KEEP GOING DOWN THE LIST.

NUMBER 104 EXTENSION IN THE CITY AWARD AND WE DISCUSSED THAT.

NUMBER 118 IS DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE TRANSITION OF ELECTIONS.

WE DO NEED TO DISCUSS THAT ONE. >> RODNEY ELLIS: YEAH.

WE DO NEED TO DISCUSS THAT. I WANT TO HEAR FROM THE ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR.

>> LINA HIDALGO: 121, TRANSMITAL OF A MEMO REGARDING THE CURRENT POLICIES RELATED TO THE COMPLETION OF I-918B. THAT'S NO ACTION SO NEVER MIND THAT ONE.

NUMBER 157 DO WE NEED DISCUSSION ON THE IMMIGRANT LEGAL SERVICES FUND PROGRAM? JACK YAK

>> R. JACK CAGLE: I WILL BE VOTING NO. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO

THAT REAL QUICK OR HOLD IT BACK FOR LATER? >> LINA HIDALGO: I'LL HOLD IT BACK. NUMBER 159, A REQUEST FOR AN -- 159 WAS NO ACTION SO I WILL TAKE THAT OUT. I THINK WHAT HAPPENED IS THE DEPARTMENT SENT THEIR LIST AND THAT'S WHY IT IS SUCH A LONG LIST. NUMBER 172.

IS AN AGREEMENT WITH PFM AND AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT FOR SERVICES FOR COMMISSIONER OF PRECINCT 1. DO PEOPLE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT?

>> TOM RAMSEY: YES, WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT ONE. >> LINA HIDALGO: OKAY.

178 AN AWARD TO TB CONSTRUCTION ON THE BASIS OF A LOW BID FOR RED BLUFF

BOULEVARD FROM SPENCER HIGHWAY TO FAIRMONT PARK. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: THAT'S A NO ACTION. I'M SORRY! IT HAS BEEN RESOLVED.

>> LINA HIDALGO: IT'S BEEN RESOLVED. OKAY.

NO NEED TO DISCUSS IT. 201 REQUEST FOR APPROVAL TO AMEND THE COMMUNITY FLOOD RESILIENCE TASK FORCE. WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT. 202, TRANSMITAL OF THE MEMBERSHIP LIST FOR THE CFRT. AND DISCUSSING POSSIBLE DISPARITIES IN DISASTER RECOVERY AFTER THE WINTER STORM. DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT?

I THINK THAT'S -- >> YES. >> LINA HIDALGO: OKAY.

AND THEN REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION OF POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE ANALYSIS OF

ADDITIONAL CRIME DATA, 210. >> TOM RAMSEY: YES. >> LINA HIDALGO: DISCUSS AND POSSIBLE ACTION RASHED -- REGARDING THE CITY OF HOUSTON DRAINAGE CRITERIA, YES.

AND REGARDING THE ARMY CORP OF ENGINEERS, YES. THAT'S 211 AND 212.

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221 WE NEED TO DISCUSS IS THE PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTOR. AND WE ALREADY DISCUSSED FULBRIGHT TO SERVE AS SPECIAL COUNCIL ON ERCOT. DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS THAT

ONE? >> ADRIAN GARCIA: NOPE. >> LINA HIDALGO: I WILL TAKE THAT OFF OF THE DISCUSSION ITEMS. REQUEST BY THE DISTRICT COURT

FOR APPROVAL OF CONTRACTS FOR FELONY -- >> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE ON THE NORTON, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THEY ARE GONNA LOOK AT OPTIONS WITH REGARD TO WHAT IS THERE. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I AM AT THIS TIME THAT I WANT TO CONSIDER MOVING OUT. I WOULD JUST LIKE FOR THEM TO GET THEIR LEGAL OPINION ON ALL OF THAT STATUS. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT BY MY APPROVAL OF THAT, I AM NOT IMPLICITLY IMPLYING THAT I WANT US TO NECESSARILY PULL OUT UNTIL WE HAVE THE DATA AND

THE FACTS. >> LINA HIDALGO: CORRECT. WE ARE ALMOST DONE.

ITEM 229 REQUEST BY THE DISTRICT COURTS FOR APPROVAL OF CONTRACTS FOR FELONY

INDIGENT DEFENSE? >> RODNEY ELLIS: YES. >> LINA HIDALGO: DO WE NEED TO DISCUSS 237 DISCUSSION ON THE APPROVAL OF LOW BID FOR ENVIRONMENTAL SOUTHWEST FOR

TURF ESTABLISHMENT FOR THE FLOOD CONTROL DISTRICT? >> TOM RAMSEY: YES.

>> LINA HIDALGO: OKAY. 239 IS ALREADY NO AGO. 240 -- OKAY THAT'S IT.

IN THAT CASE, AND HERE IS THE MOTION. IT WOULD BE -- IS THERE A MOTION FOR ALL ITEMS 1 TO 243 EXCEPT FOR ANY ITEMS ALREADY VOTED ON AS WELL AS ITEMS 4, 5, 10, 11, 69, 89, 97, 118, 157, 172, 201, 202, 206, 210, 211, 212, 221, 229 AND 237.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: SO -- >> RODNEY ELLIS: SO MOVED. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: SECOND.

>> LINA HIDALGO: DID THAT MAKE SENSE, JAMES? >> YES.

I HAVE A QUESTION BEFORE A VOTE IS CALLED THAT WAY THE RECORD IS CLEAR.

FOR ITEM NUMBER 12, THE DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING THE TRAVEL AND TRAINING POLICY AND GUIDELINES. IS THAT A NO ACTION?

>> R. JACK CAGLE: YES. >> LINA HIDALGO: YEAH. >> I GOT A FEW OF THESE.

HOW ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 96, DISCUSS OF POSSIBLE ACTION RELATED TO THE HARRIS COUNTY

ELECT TIFF AGENDA PLATFORM, NO ACTION? >> LINA HIDALGO: NO ACTION.

>> HOW ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 204? IT IS REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONCESSION AGREEMENT? IS THE ACTION BEING REQUESTED REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CON -- CONCESSION AGREEMENT BETWEEN PRECINCT 1 AND HOUSTON

RADIO CONTROL SOCIETY INC. ROUGH ROD YES, THAT'S THE -- >> RODNEY ELLIS: YES, THAT'S

THE MOTION. >> AND SAME WITH ITEM 205. IS THE REQUEST FOR ACTION REGARDING AN AMENDMENT TO THE HARRIS COUNTY PRECINCT 1 HARVEY FUND --

>> RODNEY ELLIS: YES, SIR. I HOPE WE SENT IT IN, JAMES. IF NOT WE WILL.

>> AND THE OTHER ITEM IS 227. AND THAT IS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> LINA HIDALGO: CORRECT. >> THAT'S ALL I HAVE, JUDGE. WE ARE READY FOR A VOTE WHEN

YOU ARE. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER ELLIS MADE THE MOTION AND COMMISSIONER GARCIA MADE THE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> I. >> I. >> I.

>> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE, THANK YOU FOR THE STREAM LINE PROCESS. I THINK IT IS WORKING WELL.

>> LINA HIDALGO: IT IS STREAM LINED. WE ARE TRYING AND IF IT WORKS

WE WILL KEEP DOING IT. >> RODNEY ELLIS: IF YOU THINK OF MORE, KEEP STREAMING IT.

I AM TAKING HEADACHE PILLS ON THE TUESDAYS EVERY TWO WEEKS. >> LINA HIDALGO: WE WILL COME BACK AT 2:45 TO TAKE UP THE ITEMS WE HAVEN'T YET VOTED ON.

THANK YOU.

IT SAYS TALK TO THE HAND. >> LINA HIDALGO: I SEE FOUR OF US.

LET'S GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. IT IS 2:48 AND COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS BACK IN SESSION. WE ARE GOING TO START ON THE ITEM THAT'S WE HAVE -- DIDN'T

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VOTE ON. THE FIRST IS ITEM 4 UNDER THE COVID SECTION.

THAT'S ANALYST OFFICE TRANSMITAL. >> JUDGE I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT FOR SOME REASON ON NUMBER 228, A DISCUSSION ITEM, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE COURT ACTION, BUT WE WANTED TO DISCUSS THAT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW -- I THINK THERE WAS SOME CONFUSION WHETHER IT MADE IT ON THE LIST. WE STILL INTEND TO AND IF YOU

ARE STILL ABLE TO DO THAT IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. >> LINA HIDALGO: YEAH, DASH -- IT DID NOT MAKE IT ON THE LIST, BUT I'LL PUT IT BACK ON THE LIST.

>> GREAT. THANK YOU. >> LINA HIDALGO: 228 AND THAT WAS ON THE COATS CASE. GOT IT. ITEM 4.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: JUDGE? >> LINA HIDALGO: YES. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: JUDGE I WANTED TO DISCUSS THIS ITEM BECAUSE FIRST I WANT TO THANK MS. SHORT FOR HER AND HER STAFF FOR HER WORK ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM. THIS ITEM ALSO IS A -- YOU KNOW WHEN WE GET INTO THE CONVERSATION OF EQUITY, IT IS A TEXTBOOK EXAMPLE OF WHY EQUITY MATTERS. WITH PRECINCT 2 -- I'M TRYING TO FIND THE PAGE.

BEING AT THE LOWEST POINT OF THE VACCINATION RATE AT THE POINT OF THIS REPORT IT IS JUST UNACCEPTABLE, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT NOT ALL THIS -- THERE IS NOT A GENTLE PLACE TO FIND BLAME. BUT IF YOU WANT TO FIND RESPONSIBILITY, IT IS VERY, VERY CRITICAL THAT WITH ALL OF THE MOVING PIECES TO THIS PANDEMIC WITH SOME SAYING WE ARE OPEN AND US TRYING TO SAVE LIVES. I THINK THE MORE WE GET VACCINES OF WHICH WE CAN GET INTO THE SOULEDDERS OF -- SHOULDERS OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY, I KNOW THAT THERE IS ACADEMIC WAYS TO APPROACH THIS AND TEXTBOOK WAYS TO APPROACH THIS. I THINK WE ARE NOW AT A RACE JUST TO VACCINATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. I HAVE BEEN A PRO PONE INEPT FOR DOING A -- PROPONENT FOR DOING MOBILE PROGRAMMING. NOT MOBILE IN THE SENSE OF PUT IT IN ONE LOCATION AND PUT IT IN ANOTHER LOCATION TOMORROW. I'M TALKING ABOUT A MOBILE APPROACH BY WHICH WE SERVE OUR CONGREGATE FAMILIES AND BRINGING THEM MEALS ON A DAILY BASIS AND WEEKLY BASIS ON SOME REGARDS. WE OUGHT TO BE NOW WORKING WITH THOSE PARTICULAR -- THAT PARTICULAR INFORMATION. AND THOSE LISTS OF INDIVIDUALS AND GETTING THEM VACCINATED AND ANYBODY ELSE THAT MIGHT BE IN THAT HOUSE. AND SO I'M JUST -- I SUSPECTED IT AS MUCH THAT THE UNDER SERVED AREAS WERE GOING TO BE LEFT OUT OF THE OWE QUAGS.

EQUATION. THERE IS -- IT IS REGRETFUL THAT THERE IS A VALIDATION OF THAT. JUDGE, I AM IMPLORING THAT WE DO A BETTER JOB AND AS WE GET MORE DOSAGES OF VACCINES, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE GETTING THEM INTO SHOULDERS AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. I KNOW WE ARE GOING TO BE DECIDING ON A POSSIBLE HEALTH DIRECTOR SOON. THIS REMINDS ME OF THE EARLY STAGES OF TESTING WHEN WE WERE -- IT WAS FRUSTRATING WITH DR. SHAW IN TERMS OF HOW WE SHOULD APPROACH UNDER SERVED AREAS AND IT TOOK ALL OF SEVEN MONTHS OF THE PANDEMIC TO START TO PUT OUT REACH TEAMS INTO THE COMMUNITY. THINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN

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DONE EARLY ON AND WE SHOULD BE LEVERAGING THOSE TO BE AT THE TIP OF OUR EFFORTS TO GET FOLKS TO WHERE WE WERE HUES -- WE WERE USING VACCINES. IF FOR SOME REASON THAT SEEMS TO BE CATCHING PEOPLE BY SURPRISE. AND SO THIS IS NOT PLEASANT TO READ AND TO UNDERSTAND. I KNOW THIS HAS AND I SPOKE WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT YESTERDAY ABOUT THIS REPORT. AND I UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS REPORT IS AND I WILL BE LOOKING -- WE CANNOT REPEAT THE SAME PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH IN THE EARLY STAGE OF THE PANDEMIC AND WE WERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO GET PEOPLE TESTED.

WE LEARNED A LOT. WE OUGHT TO NOT REPEAT THOSE MISTAKES I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU ARE IN THE CONVERSATIONS WE WILL DO BETTER THAN WHAT IT REFLECTS.

>> PRECINCT 1 WAS THE SECOND WORST FROM THE REPORT THAT CAME OUT OF MS. SHORT'S OFFICE. JUDGE, YOU HAVE DONE THE LION'S SHARE OF THE WORK ON THIS. IT IS INTERESTING AND MY STAFF IS TELLING ME AND WEST VIRGINIA PROBABLY HAD ONE OF THE LEAST DIVERSE POPULATIONS. I DO THINK COMMISSIONER GARCIA IS CORRECT. THE MOBILE UNITS DO TEND TO HELP IN ADDITION TO HIS PODS.

I WAS ON A ZOOM WITH SOME NATIONAL FOLKS AND WHEN PEOPLE DON'T HAVE OUR CULTURE AND LEAVING OUT THESE OTHER FACTORS FROM THE TUSKEGEE EXPERIMENT AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY DON'T HAVE A CULTURE OF GOING TO THE DOCTOR SO THEY DON'T NORMALLY GET A FLU SHOT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ACCUSTOMED TO DOING IT. BE THAT AS IT MAY KNOW THAT AS DIVERSE AS WE ARE -- WITH A CHALLENGE OF THE STATE PARTNERS PAYING -- PULLING BACK ON SOME OF THE RESTRICTIONS AND IF AROUND THE COUNTRY AND WE GO THROUGH ANOTHER LOCK DOWN BECAUSE WE GOT OUT TOO QUICK. AND I'M HOPING THAT THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A LOT OF IT THE DISASTER AND FROM MY CURSORY -- WE HAVEN'T SEEN MUCH.

YOU GOT ME IN TERMS OF WHAT HAS BEEN -- WHAT HAS BEEN WORKING.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT MOTION OR SOMETHING TO ASK FOR SOMETHING, BUT WE OUGHT TO KEEP IT ON THE AGENDA. WHEN WE COME BACK IN TWO OR THREE WEEKS.

AND IT IS THE PROGRESS WE ARE MAKING AID WOULD YOU SAW

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>> ADRIAN GARCIA: WOULD YOU SUPPORT THE MOTION THAT WE HAVE THE ANALYST OFFICE WOULD

YOU HAVE IT IN 60-DAYS. >> I WOULD RECOMMEND THEY DO IT SOONER.

YOU GOT ME? WITH THIS NEXT ROUND OF MONEY I THINK IT WILL START TO COME DOWN. I HEARD SOMETHING ON NPR WHERE THINGS MAY BE ABLE TO OPEN UP EVEN FOR THOSE OF US WHO HAVE A SHOT. IF YOU HAD YOUR SHOTS I COULD BE AROUND YOU NOW. BUT YOU HAVE TO SHOW ME YOU HAD YOUR SHOTS.

IF THEY CAN DO IS SOONER, MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE THE MOTION AND IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN

ADOPT. >> R. JACK CAGLE: I SUPPORT WHAT COMMISSIONER GARCIA IS REFERRING TO THERE. PRE SINK 2 HAS 5 -- PRECINCT 2 HAS 5.8.

MY COLLEAGUE FROM PRECINCT 1 SAYS HE WAS SECOND WORST, BUT I THINK HE MEANT SECOND BEST.

A 10TH OF A PERCENT LESS I THINK THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST DEMOGRAPHIC AND IT MAY HAVE A FACTOR THAT DEALS WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES ON WHAT IS FAIR. I SUPPORT COMMISSIONER GARCIA BECAUSE THAT NUMBER OF BEING IN LAST PLACE, NOBODY WANTS TO BE THE GUY IN LAST PLACE.

LET'S ASK HER TO ADDRESS THE AGE DEMOGRAPHIC AS WELL. I WOULD LIKE TO GET OUT OF THE LAST SLOT. PRECINCT FOUR IS GETTING A LITTLE CLOSER TOGETHER.

IT IS NOT A RACE TO THE BOTTOM. IT IS A RACE TO THE TOP.

THAT'S WHY I AM SUPPORTIVE OF COMMISSIONER GARCIA ADDING TO THIS AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO FACTOR IN WE HAVE THAT GROUP ONE, HOW MANY FOLKS WERE ELIGIBLE IN THESE AREAS TO ATTACH TO THAT. THE ELDERLY, THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND THE OTHER CRITERIA. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER FOR BRINGING THAT OUT.

THE CHART IS A GOOD CHART. >> COMMISSIONER RAMSEY? >> TOM RAMSEY: YES, I AGREE.

I THINK CLEAR -- CLEARLY THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH PRECINCT 2.

IT IS WORTHY OF A LOOK. THOSE PERCENTAGES SHOULD NOT BE.

JUDGE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS. I HAVE THE KOREAN COMMUNITY AND A COUPLE OF NURSING HOMES IN ME PRY -- IN MY PRECINCT. WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO, BUT YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THERE TRYING TO BE EQUITABLE . TO COMMISSIONER GARCIA'S POINT WE HAVE COMMUNITY CENTER THAT'S SERVE THEIR DIRECT CONNECTION INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

20,000 PEOPLE ARE THERE. I THINK MANY OF THEM ARE NOT COMING TO GET THEIR VACCINES. AT SOME POINT USING OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS AND USING THE RELATIONSHIPS WE HAVE WITH OUR FOLKS TO GET THEM IN AND GET THEM VACCINATED WOULD BE WORTHY OF IT. I DO THINK IT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. THANK YOU AGAIN.

I THINK YOU ARE TRYING TO GET THE THINGS DONE IN AN EQUITABLE WAY. THIS IS THE REPORT CARD THAT SOMETHING IS NOT QUITE KICKING IN THERE AND WORTHY OF A

LOOK. >> LINA HIDALGO: ABSOLUTELY.

IT IS A CHALLENGE BEING FACED ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND THERE ISN'T A PERFECT SOLUTION. WE ARE CERTAINLY THROWING EVERYTHING AT IT AND WE THEED TO KEEP TRACKING IT.

WE NEED TO KEEP TRACKING IT. WE WERE SENDING THE TRANSFERS TO FQHC. I ASKED THE FQHC REPORT BACK THE DEMOGRAPHICS. THE FQHC'S ARE SUPPOSED TO BE SERVING THE MAJORITY MY -- MINORITY AND THAT WAS GOING TO HELP US CORRECT THAT. STARTED GETTING THE REPORTS BACK, AND IT TURNS OUT FQHC'S WERE GIVING IT TO MAJORITY.

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IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TRIAL AND ERROR.

I WILL JUST SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS.

THE REPORT AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND INCLUDES THE ENTIRE COUNTY, NOT JUST HARRIS COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HARRIS COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH VACCINES WE ARE DOING A LITTLE BETTER. THE SECOND POINT, COMMISSIONER GARCIA'S POINT ON FEMA. SINCE WE CREATED THE FEMA SITE 58% OF THE VACCINES WE RECEIVE ANY GIVEN WEEK GO TO THE WORST HIT COMMUNITIES. THE QUESTION IS WHO WITHIN THOSE ZIP CODES IS SIGNING UP? THAT'S WHERE WE CONTINUE TO NEED YOUR HELP.

IT MEANS THE HIGHER INCOME ARE GETTING A VACCINE.

WE HAVE THE MEDIA CAMPAIGN AND I THINK THE MAILER SHOULD BE COMING SOON AND THE TV AND THE RADIO I THINK IS ALREADY RUNNING. WE ARE ALMOST DONE WITH THE INDEPENDENT LIVING FACILITIES AND THE HOMELESS SHELTERS.

THAT'S GOOD NEWS. AND WE ARE ALSO -- THERE IS AN RFP RIGHT NOW TO HAVE -- TO WORK WITH GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATIONS TO SIGN THEM UP.

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING, BUT IT IS WORKING WITH THE GROUNS TO SAY HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE YOU SIGNED UP? AND OUT OF MY OFFICE IT IS PAYING FOR A SMALLER PILOT FOR THAT AND THEN IN THE TIME IT TAKES FOR THE WHOLE PROCESS TO COME BACK. AND THEN THERE IS TRANSPORTATION. IF SOMEBODY SIGNS UP FOR A VACCINE AND THEY DON'T HAVE A CAR, PUBLIC HEALTH WILL GO GET THEM. WE WORKED WITH METRO ON THAT AND WE WORKED WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES ON THAT.

IT IS NOT EASY. I THINK IT IS WORTH IT TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE IN A MONTH.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS GOING TO BE NIGHT AND DAY.

I THINK THERE IS THE SAME HESITANCY IN THE SAME UNDER-SERVED COMMUNITIES. IT IS NOT AN EASY THING TO COUNTER. WE WILL KEEP WORKING ON IT AND KEEP FOCUSED. EVERYTHING IS WORKING VERY, VERY EFFICIENTLY. WE JUST GOT JOHNSON & JOHNSON VACCINES. WE WEREN'T SURE WHAT THE UP TAKE WOULD BE FOR THAT. THE UP TAKE IS GREAT.

WE GOT 6,000 DOSES AND I THINK WE DISTRIBUTED 5900 OF THEM.

THE REST WERE NO SHOW'S OR WHATEVER.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: JUDGE, A COUPLE THINGS.

ONE IS, I WANT TO REMIND US THAT PRECINCT 2 IS LARGELY OUTSIDE THE METRO SERVICE AREA.

TRANSPORTATION IS A HUGE ISSUE.

I THINK WE CAN KEEP THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BUSY JUST TRANSPORTING PEOPLE FROM PRECINCT 2 COMMUNITIES.

THAT HAS TO BE WEIGHTED AS WELL.

THE OTHER THING TOO IS I ASK THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT BE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE PRECINCT OFFICES.

I WILL MAKE THIS ASK AS A PERSONAL POINT.

I KNOW MY STAFF. I KNOW MY OPERATIONS AND I KNOW OUR CAPACITY. AND THEY KNOW MY INTENTION TO GET OUR COMMUNITY VACCINATED. WHEN I SAY WORK WITH THE PRECINCT OFFICES, ACTUALLY OUR HEALTH DEPARTMENT DOES, BUT WHAT I MEAN IS BY ALLOWING US TO HELP CRAFT THE STRATEGY AND THE METHODOLOGY, CRAFT THE APPROACH TO THE UNDER SERVED E.R.A -- UNDER SERVED AREAS IN AT LEAST MY RESPECTIVE PRECINCT. THEY ARE ALWAYS KIND TO LET ME

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KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING IN THE PRECINCT, BUT WE HAVE VERY LITTLE OPPORTUNITY TO BE A PART OF THE DESIGN OF THAT STRATEGY. I WOULD ASK THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT ALLOW US TO BE MUCH MORE ENGAGED AND INCLUDED AND IN HOW TO BUILD OUT THE APPROACH IN THE OUT REACH AND THE STRATEGY TO THE UNDER SERVED AREAS AT LEAST IN

PRECINCT TWO. >> LINA HIDALGO: WE'LL CIRCLE BACK WITH YOU, COMMISSIONER AND SEE WHAT SPECIFIC INPUTS YOU HAVE. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS -- I SPOKE WITH COMMISSIONER RAMSEY ABOUT THIS.

I HAVE GOTTEN CALLS FROM SOME MAYORS WHO SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THESE TOP 10, TOP 25 ZIP CODES AND I LIVE NEXT DOOR TO ONE. MINE IS NEXT TO THAT ONE SO WHY ISN'T MINE INCLUDED? THE CHALLENGE IS WE ARE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT IS ROUGHLY FAIR.

AND SO NOBODY IS GOING TO BE HAPPY.

WE CAME UP WITH A FORMULA AND WE PICKED 10 AND 25 ZIP CODES. WE DECIDED WE ARE GOING TO ALL OF THE NURSING HOMES -- THE CONGREGATE LIVING FACILITIES AND THE HOMELESS SHELTERS AND WE ARE GOING TO SEND THE MOBILE UNITS TO THESE ZIP CODES.

THERE'S TWO WAYS TO DO IT. ONE WAY IS VERY -- IT IS VERY DECENTRALIZED. EVERYBODY GETS A CHUNK.

ANOTHER WAY IS LET'S LAY DOWN SOME PARAMETERS AND NOBODY WILL BE 100% HAPPY, BUT THERE WILL BE SOME LONL JIBING TO -- LOGIC TO IT. WE ARE NEEDING HELP AND I WILL MAKE SURE THEY REACH OUT, BUT AS WE ARE FIGURING OUT WHICH SITES SPECIFICALLY DO WE SEND THE MOBILE UNIT TO, YOU GUYS KNOW WHICH SITE AND YOU KNOW WHETHER YOU HAVE A COMMUNITY CENTER IN THAT ZIP CODE OR THAT SERVES THAT ZIP CODE AS WE FIGURE OUT WHICH GROUPS SHOULD REGISTER PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW IF YOU HAVE CONTACTS OR IF THAT'S SOMETHING WITH YOUR NETWORK AND YOUR STAFF AND YOUR IN'S INTO THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU CAN DO. AND CERTAINLY IF YOU HAVE OTHER SPECIFIC PROPOSALS, LET ME KNOW.

I AM VERY INVOLVED IN THE VACCINE DISTRIBUTION, SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING NOT WORKING IT CERTAINLY IS NOT -- DON'T THROW PUBLIC HEALTH UNDER THE BUS.

THIS IS SOMETHING I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN.

MY DIRECTIVE TO THEM IS LET'S BE CONSISTENT BECAUSE EVERYBODY NEEDS -- THERE IS MANY MORE PEOPLE -- WE HAVE VACCINATED 60 TO 70% OF HARRIS COUNTY RESIDENTS.

AND SO, YES, WE ARE GETTING MORE DOSES.

AND IT IS STILL VERY SHORT SUPPLY.

AND MY EMPHASIS HAS BEEN LET'S JUST HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS SYSTEMATIC AND THAT WORKS VERY HARD TO CORRECT THE INEQUITY.

WE WILL WORK WITH THE DATA AND PIVOT AS NECESSARY.

I AM NERVOUS TO SAY JUST LET IT GO EVERYWHERE.

AND HOW DO YOU PICK BETWEEN ONE MAYOR AND ANOTHER OR ONE ZIP CODE AND ANOTHER ONE. LET'S JUST PICK THE SITES AND PRIORITIZE SVI AND AGE AND TEACHERS AND BY GOLLY, PUSH FOR MORE VACCINES. I TOLD THE FEMA REPRESENTATIVES THE DAY WE LAUNCHED OUR SITE AND TOLD THE PRESIDENT AND EVERYBODY I COULD.

I AM NOT LETTING THIS FEMA SITE GO AWAY AFTER THE SIX WEEKS, EIGHT WEEKS. WE ARE PUSHING FOR THEM TO STAY. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS, EVEN IF THEY STAY, 6,000 VACCINES A DAY IS GOING TO

TAKE AWHILE. >> WHAT I ASK, JUDGE, OBVIOUSLY I ISSUE THE IDEA OF FAIRNESS.

PRECINCT 2 IS ALREADY -- THEY HAVE BEGUN THE CONVERSATION WITH AN UNFAIR BASELINE. AND SO THAT UNFAIR BASELINE BASE -- BASELINE HAS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR.

YOU CANNOT LOOK AT THE ENTIRE COUNTY AND SAY LET'S LOOK AT HOW WE DO THIS FOR EVERYBODY. THERE ARE POPULATIONS THAT ARE ALREADY MARGINALIZED AND DISSEN -- AND DISENFRANCHISED. THERE HAS TO BE GREATER EFFORT AND WORK TO REACH OUT TO THEM AND BRING THEM TO THE TABLE.

AND SO FAIR IS CRITICAL AND LOGICAL IS IMPORTANT, BUT THAT CANNOT BE THE RULE WHEN IT COMES TO DISENFRANCHISED

COMMUNITIES. >> LINA HIDALGO: AND THAT'S

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NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. THE MAJORITY OF THE VACCINES WERE GIVEN. FEMA GIVES 6,000 A DAY.

WE HAVE LIKE 1200, RIGHT? ALL OF THE FEMA VACCINES ARE PRIORITIZING 10 ZIP CODES I THINK MOST OF WHICH ARE IN PRECINCT 2. WHEN YOU ADD UP THE DISADVANTAGED GROUPS THEY ARE IN YOUR PRECINCT.

HIGHWAY -- HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THE PEOPLE REGISTERING AREN'T JUST THE HIGHEST INCOME OF THOSE LOW INCOME ZIP CODES.

THAT'S WHERE YOUR TEAM CAN HELP US.

YOU KNOW THE ZIP CODES. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING IS WE GET INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS A LITTLE CLOSER. WE CAN HELP REFINE THAT.

OBVIOUSLY OUR TEAM KNOWS IS -- WHO THE COMMUNITY IS.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT IS NOT ONLY LEFT TO THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. WE AND OUR TEAM GET INCLUDED.

WE ARE GOING TO ADHERE TO THE STRATEGY IMPLEMENTED.

WE ARE NOT JUST GOING TO DRAG PEOPLE OVER JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NEXT DOOR TO US. BY THE SAME TOE -- TOKEN, FOR THOSE CLOSE TO THE GROUND AND I THINK ALL OF OUR COLLEAGUES ARE THERE, WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OFFICES ARE BEING INCLUDED IN THE PROCESS.

THAT'S MY ASK OF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: LET'S TALK, COMMISSIONER GARCIA, OFF LINE.

IF THERE IS ANYTHING, IT IS ON ME.

THE INTENTION WAS TO REACH OUT TO YOU AND SAY HELP US REACH THESE ZIP CODES. YOU GOT A MEMO OF WHAT THEY ARE. YOU HAVE THE TOOL KIT.

YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED YOUR HELP GOING AND GETTING THE PEOPLE. THEY ARE PICKING THE RIGHT FIGHTS FOR THE ZIP CODES. IF THERE IS ANYTHING THEY ARE NOT THINKING OF -- RAID

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: THE ONE THING I WANT TO HAVE SOME THOUGHT IS THE HOME TO HOME LIVING.

WE ARE LOOKING AT THE MULTI GENERATIONAL AND VULNERABLE FAMILIES. AND WHILE WE ARE VACCINATING WE SHOULD VACCINATE THOSE WHO LIVE WITH THEM.

THESE ARE AMONG THE MOST VULNERABLE.

>> RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO HOME TO HOME.

>> WE MAY HAVE THE CAPACITY. AND THAT'S WHY I ASK THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO GIVE US A SHOT.

LET'S HIGHLIGHT IT AND DEMONSTRATE THAT IT CAN WORK.

>> LINA HIDALGO: RIGHT. AND THE QUESTION IS HOW DO YOU

PICK THOSE PEOPLE? >> ADRIAN GARCIA: THEY ARE HOME BOUND. THEY ARE CONGREGATE RECIPIENTS. THEY ARE VALUE DO DATED -- VALIDATED BY ONE OF THE WELFARE PROGRAMS.

>> LINA HIDALGO: WE SHOULD CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, BUT I AM TRYING TO DO A CONSISTENT STRATEGY.

WE SAW IT WITH THE CARES FOR EXAMPLE.

THE WAY FOLKS DID IT WAS COME ONE AND COME ALL.

THERE WAS CONCERNING ALLEGATIONS AND INEFFICIENCIES. I KNOW IT IS NOT GOING TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ME POPULAR.

I'LL TRY TO DO MY BEST, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED MORE VACCINES AND WE ARE GOING TO NEED THE FEDS TO NOT LEAVE. AND IT IS GONNA BE A LONG SLOG. IT IS NOT OVER BY ANY MEANS.

THIS IS A CONVERSATION WE WILL HAVE TO HAVE IN THREE WEEKS.

AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE IT AFTER THAT.

AND I'LL CIRCLE WITH COMMISSIONER GARCIA OR ANYBODY WHO HAS RECOMMENDATIONS AND QUESTIONS ON THIS.

WHAT YOU CAN HELP WITH IS GETTING PEOPLE SIGNED UP.

IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MATERIALS YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THEM. THE MATERIALS AND THE ZIP CODES IN MULTIPLE LANGUAGES. WE HAVE UPDATED MATERIALS NOW AND THERE IS THE ONE SHOT VACCINE WITH JOHNSON & JOHNSON. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T ON OUR OWN REACH THE COMMUNITIES.

>> JUDGE, OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS ARE FOCUSED RIGHT NOW ON SIGNING PEOPLE UP. THEY WILL COME AND OF COURSE

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THEY WANT THE VACCINE, BUT WE'RE TELLING THEM THE FIRST STEP IS TO GET SIGNED UP. ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS, THE LEADERS, ARE TRAINED TO DO THAT.

ONE. TWO, HELP PEOPLE WITH THEIR FEMA APPLICATIONS. THOSE ARE THE TWO PRIORITIES.

WE WOULD LOVE THE COMMUNITY CENTERS TO GIVE VACCINES, BUT KNOWING BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF THE VACCINES WE ARE USING THOSE TO SIMPLY SIGN PEOPLE UP.

>> LINA HIDALGO: YES COMMISSIONER ELLIS.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS.

IN ADDITION, OUR CENTERS OUGHT TO GO WHERE PEOPLE CONGREGATE ON A REGULAR BASIS. IF THEY ARE MORE LIKELY TO GO TO A HIGH SCHOOL OR A CHURCH, AND I THINK YOU ARE DOING THAT TO SOME EXTENT AS OPPOSED TO NECESSARILY A CENTER THAT I CONTROL. IF THERE IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT IS A MAJOR PLACE, IT IS GETTING THEM OUT.

I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS HUNG UP ON IT BEING OUR CENTER.

I THINK WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM TO GET THIS DONE AND I APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP ON IT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: YEAH WE HAVE THE FOUR SITES, AND WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AT OTHER PLACES THAT HAVE SORLT -- SORT OF THE BIG PARKING LOT WE CAN USE. IF YOU HAVE THE ZIP CODES AND IF YOU KNOW IT IS YOUR SITE OR A CONGREGATING PLACE, LET ME KNOW AND LET US KNOW. KEEP A -- WE'LL KEEP PUSHING.

IT IS A TOUGH CHALLENGE AND WE WILL KEEP PUSHING AND LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ITEM 4? THE NEXT ONE WE HAVE IS ITEM 5. A REQUEST BY PUBLIC HEALTH FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR OPERATING EXPENSES.

AND SO THIS ONE -- THE RECOMMENDATION WE HAVE GOTTEN IS THAT COURT APPROVE PUBLIC HEALTH'S COVID-RELATED COSTS FOR THE NEXT TWO MONTHS WHEN IT COMES TO BASICALLY EVERYTHING EXCEPT CONTACT TRACING.

THE REASON THERE IS A SUGGESTION NOT TO INCLUDE THE CONTACT TRACING COSTS IS BECAUSE IT IS NOT REIMBURSE -- REIMBURSABLE. WE NEED TO BE SCRUTINIZING ON SPENDING ON THAT ACTIVITY. WHILE WE WOULD IDEALLY LIKE TO ASSESS CONTACT TRACING UNDER THE NEW PUBLIC HEALTH LEADERSHIP OUR SENSE IS WE HAVE TO DETERMINE HOW EFFECTIVE THE CONTACT TRACING IS BEFORE WE SPEND ON IT.

COMMISSIONER GARCIA? >> ADRIAN GARCIA: THANK YOU, JUDGE. I APPRECIATE HEARING THAT.

THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY COMMENT.

WE A PROPOSING FOUR MILLION FOR CONTACT TRACING, BUT I THINK THAT CAT GOT AWAY FROM US EARLY ON.

ONE, WE ARE NOT REIMBURSED FOR IT AND NUMBER TWO, IT IS JUST NOT ENOUGH TO DO THE WORK THAT IS SO FAR BEHIND US.

I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF CARVING OUT THE FOUR MILLION IN

CONTRACT TRACING. >> RODNEY ELLIS: I SECOND THE MOTION. DO YOU WANT TO MOVE IT AS IT

IS? >> LINA HIDALGO: THE MOTION WOULD BE THE FIRST 16 MILLION 274THOUSAND OF FUNDING FROM THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT CONTINGENCY FUND BE ALLOCATED TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH AND OTHER COVID-RELATED EXPENSES FOR THE MONTHS OF MARCH AND APRIL. AND THAT THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DATA ON SERVICE LEVELS AND OUTCOMES FOR CONTACT TRACING SO THAT COMMISSIONER'S COURT MAY DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE FUNDING LEVEL FOR APRIL AT THE MARCH 30TH, COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING.

DOES THAT SOUND RIGHT? >> ADRIAN GARCIA: AND WHAT IS

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THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR CONTACT TRACING.

>> I ONLY HAVE 16 MILLION 274THOUSAND.

LET ME MAKE SURE IT IS RIGHT. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: MR. BERRY, DO YOU KNOW THAT NUMBER OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD?

>> I THINK SO AND THE JUDGE CAN CONFIRM.

IT IS A TOTAL OF ABOUT 4 MILLION IN THIS PROPOSAL.

WHAT I HEARD THE JUDGE SAY IS THAT, WELL, WE ARE ALREADY INTO MARCH. LET'S KEEP DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING THROUGH MARCH, BUT HAVE A GOOD EVALUATION.

IF I UNDERSTAND THAT THE 4 MILLION OF CONTACT TRACING WOULD BE CUT BACK TO TWO. IS THAT RIGHT, JUDGE?

>> BECAUSE WE CAN'T REALLY STOP THE MARCH DOLLARS NOW.

COMMISSIONER GARCIA, YOU AND I ARE LEARNING TOGETHER AS WE GO ALONG ON THIS ONE. THAT'S THE REASON, RIGHT, DAVE? I'M WITH THE COMMISSIONER.

IF THERE IS A WAY TO CUT IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE CAN'T REALLY SO WE WILL KEEP GOING TO MARCH AND THEN DECIDE ON THE FUTURE

MONTHS AFTER THAT. >> TOM RAMSEY: AS FAR AS MAXIMIZING THE VACCINATION ELEMENT OF THIS? WE ARE LIMITED BY THE NUMBER OF VACCINES WE CAN GET.

THAT IMPACTS HOW MUCH MONEY WE CAN ON OUR END SPEND, IS THAT

RIGHT? >> LINA HIDALGO: I'M MISSING THE CONNECTION WITH CONTACT TRACING, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY.

>> TOM RAMSEY: I AM LOOKING AT THIS LISTING.

18MILLION, 273 AND IN THAT THERE IS 4 MILLION FOR CONTACT TRACING. AND THEN THERE IS 3.5 MILLION ON VACCINATION. SO THAT'S THE MOST WE CAN DO

ON VACCINATION? >> LINA HIDALGO: RIGHT.

THE LIMN -- THE LIMITING FACTOR IS THE NUMBER OF VACCINES WE CAN GIVE. YES.

IT IS NOT THE FUNDING. THANK YOU FOR ASKING.

CORRECT, DAVE. 16MILLION 274 THOUSAND WOULD BE 18 MILLION CONTACT TRACING.

WE ARE ALREADY INTO MARCH AND THE IDEA THAT THE PROPOSAL THAT WE GOT IS PAID THROUGH MARCH AND IS IT WORTH CONTINUING TO INVEST AT THIS LEVEL? DOES THAT WORK, COMMISSIONER GARCIA?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: THAT WILL WORK.

I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. >> LINA HIDALGO: JAMES DO YOU

HAVE THE MOTION? >> NOME.

SNO, MA'AM. >> LINA HIDALGO: THE FIRST 16 MILLION 254 THOUSAND OF FUNDING FROM THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT CONTINGENCY FUND BE ALLOCATED TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR THE MONTH OF MARCH.

AND TO OTHER COVID-RELATED EXPEBD TOURS -- EXPENDITURES FOR MARCH AND APRIL. AND SECOND THE PUBLIC HEALTH DEPARTMENT PROVIDES ADDITIONAL DATA ON THE SERVICE LEVELS AND THE OUTCOMES ON THE CONTACT TRACING SO THAT COMMISSIONER'S COURT MAY DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE FUNDING LEVEL FOR APRIL AT THE MARCH 30TH COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING.

>> THANK YOU. THAT'S THE MOTION AND NOT WHAT

WAS ON THE AGENDA, CORRECT? >> LINA HIDALGO: CORRECT.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I SECOND. >> LINA HIDALGO: MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GARCIA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ELLIS. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> I. >> I.

>> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

THAT WAS ITEM 5 AND NEXT IS ITEM 10.

THIS IS THE BROAD COVID ITEM ON THE PANDEMIC.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THE DISPARITIES WHICH IS IMPORTANT. I HAVE A MOTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT HAS BEEN SENT AROUND IN TERMS OF THE COVID PRECAUTIONS IN COUNTY BUILDINGS, BUT THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT WE DISCUSS THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK SURROUNDING THAT MOTION IN EXECUTIVE SESSION IF FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT IT.

DO FOLKS HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT MOTION THAT WE NEED TO TAKE TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO JUST VOTE ON

IT? >> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE, I HAVE A QUESTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT MY QUESTION WOULD REQUIRE EXECUTIVE SESSION, DEPENDING UPON YOUR ANSWER.

OR JAY'S ANSWER. OR ATTORNEY MENEFE'S ANSWER.

IT SAYS WE ARE AUTHORIZED ON THE FEMA AND HEALTH SCREENING AND REQUIRING THE FACE COVERINGS.

MY CONCERN IS THAT WE DO NOT CREATE A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAN WHAT THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE HASSISH HUED -- HAS ISSUED. AND IT IS REQUIRING THAT THEY

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MAY DO SOMETHING. DEPENDING UPON THE DEPARTMENT OR THE BASIS. AND SO THAT'S WHERE MY QUESTION COMES. AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND I GET A LITTLE MORE NERVOUS WHEN WE HAVE LANGUAGE WHEN WE ARE DEALING WITH STATE ISSUES.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER ELLIS?

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I SUGGEST WE TAKE IT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IT IF THERE IS SOMETHING SAID --

>> LINA HIDALGO: WE CAN OBTAIN THE COUNTY COVID PRECAUTIONS AND IT CAN GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

DO FOLKS HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS UNDER THE BROAD COVID ITEM? ITEM 10?

>> JUDGE, I HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE I THANK YOUR OFFICE ON AN ITEM. COMMISSIONER RAMSEY TALKED ABOUT A COMMUNITY HE HAD. WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT REQUIRES SPECIAL APPROVAL. YOUR OFFICE PUSHED THAT THROUGH. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THEY HAVE NOT ALREADY BEEN RECEIVED THEIR SHOTS, THEIR CONGRESS -- THEY ARE CONGREGATE CARE, BUT THEY ARE IMMOBILE. I WANTED TO THANK YOU AND YOUR OFFICE FOR WORKING WITH US AND THAT GROUP OF VETERANS WHO AS A CONSEQUENCE OF THE SERVICE TO US, WE ARE NOT ABLE TO GET TO THE LOCATIONS AND WE HAVE THE MOBILE PROGRAM THAT WAS OUT THERE. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK

YOU FOR WORKING WITH THEM. >> LINA HIDALGO: IF THERE IS ANYTHING CONGRESS GRAW -- CONGREGATE CARE WE ARE MISSING, LET US KNOW. AND IT IS NOT THAT PEOPLE NEED TO GET ON THE METRO SERVICES. BUT WE WILL SEND SOMEONE TO PICK THEM UP. METRO IS HELPING US WITH THAT. IF IT IS NOT A CONGREGATE CARE FACILITY, WE WILL PICK THEM UP AND TAKE THEM TO THE SITE.

SO JUST TO MAKE SURE YOU ARE AWARE.

AND THE FEMA SITE IS GOING GREAT.

WE ARE RIGHT ON SCHEDULE. I KNOW IN DALLAS THEY ARE HAVING SOME TROUBLE, BUT OUR WAIT LIST HAS ABOUT GREAT.

YOU KNOW, WE MAY NEED HELP EXPANDING THE REGISTRANTS TO THE WAIT LIST HERE SOON WE WILL CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION WITH THE VACCINE AND I WILL CIRCLE WITH COMMISSIONER

GARCIA AS WELL. >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE, DO WE KNOW IF NRG IS THE LARGEST IN THE COUNTRY? YOU KNOW WE TEXANS SAY IT IS THE BIGGEST, BUT I DON'T KNOW.

>> LINA HIDALGO: I DON'T KNOW, ACTUALLY.

I KNOW IT IS THE LARGEST IN THE STATE.

THE NEXT ITEM IS 11. COMMISSIONER RAMSEY?

>> TOM RAMSEY: YES, JUDGE. I CONSIDER WHAT WE DO EVERY OTHER WEEK OR SO HERE ESSENTIAL.

I MISS DOING IT WITH ALL OF YOU.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT I NEVER GOT TO DO IT WITH ALL OF YOU.

I HAVE TO SETTLE FOR CACTUS RIGHT NOW AND IT GETS KIND OF

LONELY. >> R. JACK CAGLE: I'M SURE YOU DID NOT MEAN THAT IN A WAY THAT --

>> TOM RAMSEY: I AM FROM EAST TEXAS SO I DIDN'T MEAN ANYTHING. I'LL AT LEAST START THE CONVERSATION. WE MAY NOT END IT HERE TODAY, BUT AT LEAST WE CAN BEGIN TO HAVE THAT.

I KNOW OF MANY, IF NOT MOST, AREA CITIES, MOST IF NOT MANY AREA SCHOOL DISTRICTS ARE MEETING IN PERSON.

I THINK THE CONVERSATIONS, THE DIALOGUE, THE -- WHAT I WOULD CALL THE PURE OPEN-MEETING CONVERSATIONS YOU HAVE WHEN YOU ARE ALL IN A ROOM IS JUST PRICELESS.

EVEN THOUGH THIS IS PRETTY GOOD, IT IS NOT LIKE BEING IN THE SAME ROOM. I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WE BEGIN TO CONSIDER WHEN WE MIGHT MEET -- I THINK MOST OF US HAVE HAD VACCINES. I KNOW THAT WE HAVE STAFF THAT WORK WITH US AND THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE THAT WE CAN THINK

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THROUGH, BUT AT LEAST BEGIN THE PROCESS OF THINKING THROUGH WHAT IT WOULD TAKE FOR US TO MEET IN PERSON.

NOT NECESSARILY READY TO INTRODUCE THE PUBLIC TO THAT, BUT AT LEAST IF WE BEGIN THAT PROCESS.

I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TODAY TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE ARE GOING TO BEGIN THINKING ABOUT IT, AND REALLY SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THAT POSSIBILITY. I THINK IT IS WORTHY OF THAT EFFORT. THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER ELLIS.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP.

YOU KNOW, I ENJOYED HAVING BREAKFAST WITH YOU.

WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR MASKS ON, BUT WE -- WHEN WE LEFT THE TABLE WE DID PUT IT ON. I I DO LOOK FORWARD TO INTERACTING WITH YOU IN PERSON.

IF COMMISSIONER CAGLE DECIDES TO HIT YOU, MAKE SURE HE PUTS HIS MASK ON. I MUST SAY THAT THAT THAT -- THAT I HAVEN'T MISSED BEING IN A ROOM WITH YOU AS MUCH, CACTUS, BUT I'M SURE WE WILL MEET SOON, ONE ON ONE IF NECESSARY. I DO THINK THAT TO THE EXTENT OF SOME OF US -- I DON'T KNOW.

MAYBE YOU AND I ARE THE OLDEST , COMMISSIONER RAMSEY.

I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE HAS. BUT I DO WORRY ABOUT OUR STAFF. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHERS, BUT I RELY ON MY STAFF TO HELP ME WITH A LOT OF STUFF, AND I HAVE BEEN DOING THIS A LONGTIME, BUT IT IS AMAZING THE THINGS I FORGET. THE MEETINGS WOULD BE EVEN LONGER IF SOMEBODY COULDN'T PASS ME A PIECE OF PAPER AND SAY I AM THINKING OF A INSTEAD OF C.

THEY REALLY DO HELP ME WITH THAT.

I WOULD HATE TO PUT THOSE YOUNG PEOPLE AT RISK.

AND I DO THINK THE SIGNAL WE SEND OUT TO THE PUBLIC MEANS A LOT TO PEOPLE. I KNOW IN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR, IN PARTICULAR, IN ALL OF OUR PRECINCTS THAT HAVE BEEN DEVASTATED BY, THIS I WANT TO DO AS MUCH AS I CAN.

EVEN IF I HAVE A SHOT, AND I AM TEMPTED TO GO SOMEWHERE, AT A PRESS CONFERENCE AND FOLKS CAN'T HEAR ME AS WELL SPEAKING THROUGH THAT DEAL, I TRY TO KEEP THE MASK ON.

SOMETIMES I TAKE IT OFF TO MAKE SURE I AM FAR ENOUGH AWAY AND CAN BE HEARD. OFTEN TIMES I PUT IT BACK ON BECAUSE I AM THINKING ABOUT THE SIGNAL IT MIGHT SEND TO SOMEBODY ELSE. AS MUCH AS I MISS YOU ALL, I'M IN NO RUSH TO BE IN THE SAME ROOM.

IF YOU ALL DECIDE TO DO IT, I HOPE YOU MAKE ARRANGEMENTS.

I AM 66 AND ABOUT TO TURN 67. I'M ON BLOOD PRESSURE PILLS.

I KNOW I AM OVERWEIGHT NO MATTER HOW MUCH I RIDE MY BIKE. OTHER THAN BEING BLACK I KNOW I GOT PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS.

IF YOU ALL DO DECIDE TO GO, IF THE LAUPER MITTS. IT I WILL SIT IN MY OFFICE AND VOTE BY ZOOM OR SHOW UP WHEN IT IS TIME TO VOTE. IF YOU WANT TO SHORTEN THE CONVERSATIONS, I WILL JUST SHOW UP WHEN IT IS TIME TO VOTE. I FOR ONE DON'T WANT TO PUT MY FAMILY -- AND IT IS A PERM ISSUE WITH -- PERSONAL ISSUE.

I AM NOT GOING ANYTIME SOON. THAT'S MY TWO CENTS OF WHAT IT

IS WORTH. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER

GARCIA? >> ADRIAN GARCIA: THANK YOU, JUDGE. LOOK, I TOO MISS THE NORMAL OF DOING BUSINESS IN COMMISSIONER DAUGHTER -- THE OFFICIAL COMMISSIONER'S COURT CHAMBERS.

I JUST THINK THAT THERE IS -- I WANNA MAKE SURE -- WE JUST PASSED A RESOLUTION TODAY FOR "MAMA LUCY" AND I JUST DON'T WANT TO COMMUNICATE TO THOSE FAMILIES WHO UNDERSTAND THIS PANDEMIC THE BEST. NOT BECAUSE THEY STUDIED IT, BUT BECAUSE THEY LOST SOMEONE IN THEIR HOME AND THERE IS AN EMPTY CHAIR, A PHONE NOT BEING ANSWERED TODAY BECAUSE SOMEONE HAS DIED AND IT IS ATTRIBUTED DIRECTLY TO THE LOSS OF LIFE RELATED TO COVID. I JUST -- SOMETHING IN MY GUT TELLS ME WE ARE DEBATING HOW TO GET MORE VACCINES OUT.

THIS IS AN INDICATION AND COMMISSIONER CAGLE WANTS

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IMPROVEMENT IN HIS JUST LIKE I WANT IN MINE.

OUT OF THE RESPECT OF THE FAMILIES WHO UNDERSTAND THIS PANDEMIC THE BEST, I JUST THINK THERE IS SOMETHING -- I DON'T WANT COME ACROSS AS INSENSITIVE TO THOSE FAMILIES, I DO I DO NOT WANT TO COME ACROSS TO OUR MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS WHO HAVE BEEN SACRIFICING THROUGH THIS ENTIRE THING AND SEEING SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS IN THIS PANDEMIC THAT THEY HAVE SEEN THE TRAGEDY TOO UP CLOSE.

I APPRECIATE COMMISSIONER RAMSEY AND I DO WANT TO SIT AT THE TABLE AT COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

I JUST WANT TO -- NUMBER ONE I RECOGNIZE THAT I AM FIGHTING FOR MY PRECINCT. I DON'T WANT MORE OF MY PRECINCT TO DIE. I JUST DON'T THINK MY -- NOT INTENTIONALLY, BUT BY SHOWING UP WE ARE PUSHING ASIDE THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE HEALTH PROFESSIONALS.

I JUST DON'T WANT TO COME ACROSS AS DISRESPECTFUL IN THAT REGARD ESPECIALLY TO THE FAMILIES WHO LOST SOMEONE THROUGH THE PANDEMIC. I WANT TO BE THERE.

I WOULD LOVE TO ENGAGE YOU MORE, COMMISSIONER CAGLE, BUT SOMETHING TELLS ME -- EVERY TIME I TALK TO SOMEBODY WHO HAS LOST SOMEONE, I HAVE HAD LOSS IN MY LIFE AND IN MY FAMILY BUT I NEVER SAY TO PEOPLE I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING THROUGH BECAUSE I DON'T.

I DON'T WANT TO SHOW UP IF CHAMBERS AND BE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY AND THEN COMMUNICATE TO PEOPLE ONE THING IN WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO AND THEN IN AN EXAMPLE COMIEN INDICATING SOMETHING -- COMMUNICATING SOMETHING ELSE.

I THINK WE CAN STILL SERVE OUR CONSTITUENTS WELL HERE UNDER THIS PROCESS AND I WILL WAIT UNTIL THE NUMBERS GET A HELL

OF A LOT BETTER. >> R. JACK CAGLE: IT IS SCARY TO HAVE A MONITOR AND WOPPING YOUR -- WATCHING YOUR OXYGEN LEVELS. I GOT IT AND THEN MY SON AND DAUGHTER GOT IT. MY FAMILY HAS EXPERIENCED THE PROCESS OF COVID ON A FIRSTHAND BASIS.

I STILL HAVE A BRIDE OF 39 YEARS AND OUR BABY WHO HAS NOT YET GOTTEN IT, BUT THREE OUT OF FIVE OF US AT CLOSE HAND HAVE. AS AS MANY OF YOU KNOW I WAS VERY CLOSE TO MARIANNE HAMMER.

SHE USED TO SIT HERE. SHE DIED OF IT.

A DEAR FRIEND OF MINE WHO I HAVE BEEN AT HIS CONGREGATION A NUMBER OF TIMES OVER THE YEARS HAS COME AND PRAYED FOR US. MR. JOHNSON.

WE LOST HIM TO THE DISEASE. HAVING SAID THAT AS A BACKGROUND, I THINK WE MAY BE MISSING AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW THE PUBLIC HOW WE CAN MEET AS OPPOSED TO SHOWING THEM HOW NOT TO MEET AS PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO ENGAGE.

JUDGE, NONE OF Y'ALL MAKE FUN OF MY BANDANNAS, BUT I GREW UP WITH BAN DAN -- BANDANNAS ON TRACTORS AND OTHER THINGS.

COMMISSIONER ELLIS, THEY GO ON AND THEY GO OFF REAL FAST.

YOU ALWAYS HAVE THEM RIGHT THERE.

YOU THROW THEM IN THE LAUNDRY BIN EVERY DAY AND YOU HAVE A FRESH ONE THE NEXT MORNING. I THINK THE CITY OF HOUSTON MEETS AND THEY HAVE SOME NICE PROT -- PROTOCOLS.

RIGHT NOW ME AND COMMISSIONER RAMSEY, WE ARE SIX FEET APART FROM EACH OTHER. THE LEGISLATURE IS MEETING RIGHT NOW. I WOULD SAY WE NEED TO SHOW HOW IT COULD BE DONE PROPERLY AND SAFELY AS OPPOSED TO THE OTHER EXAMPLE. I DO UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER ELLIS' DESIRE TO NOT BE IN THE SAME ROOM WITH ME.

I THINK HE IS AFRAID SOMETHING MAY HAPPEN IF HE SAYS ONE OF THOSE THINGS HE SAYS EVERY NOW AND THEN.

I AM NOT AS ANYMORE -- NIBLE TO JUMP OVER THE -- NIMBLE TO JUMP OVER THE TABLE TO COME AND GET YOU.

OR MAYBE YOU WON'T BE AS BRAVE TO SAY THEM WITH THE ELECTRONIC COURAGE THAT HAPPENS.

I THINK THAT SETTING A POSITIVE MODEL WOULD BE A GOOD

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THING AS LONG AS WE SHOW THE PROTOCOLS AND INSTRUCT OTHERS OF OUR EXAMPLE OF HOW TO DO IT AS OPPOSED TO CONTINUING TO INSTRUCT OTHERS TO AVOID IT. WE ARE STARTING TO REOPEN WHETHER WE ARE OPEN TO OR NOT.

LET'S SET A GOOD MODEL. THAT IS MY ENCOURAGEMENT AS WE DISCUSS THIS. AND I PROMISE YOU, COMMISSIONER ELLIS RICK -- ELLIS, AS LONG AS YOU ARE IN THE SAME ROOM ARE YOU SAFE. I AM MORE WORRIED ABOUT YOU RUNNING ME OVER WITH YOUR BICYCLE.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I WON'T RUN YOU OVER.

>> TOM RAMSEY: THANK YOU FOR THE CONVERSATION.

JUST KNOW THE SPIRIT OF MY ASK IS THIS.

I WAS SHOULDER TO SHOULDER WITH SOME GREAT PEOPLE HANDING OUT WATER AND HANDING OUT FOOD AND DOING THINGS THAT MATTERED OUT IN THE COMMUNITY, AND I LOOK AT WHAT WE DO AS GOING SHOULDER TO SHOULDER TO DOING ESSENTIAL SERVICES AND DOING STUFF THAT MATTERS. SO THE CONTEXT WAS NOT SHOWING OFF. THE CONTEXT WAS NOT TRYING TO SEND A WRONG MESSAGE. IT REALLY WAS IN THE SPIRIT OF WE ARE ALL OUT THERE HANDING OUT WATER AND DOING THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. I CONSIDER THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING HERE. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE A LITTLE EARLY ON THE CONVERSATION, BUT WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE IT DOWN THE ROAD. THANK YOU.

>> LINA HIDALGO: THANKS. I WILL JUST SHARE MY INFORMATION. HOUSTON AND AUSTIN AND BEXAR COUNTY AND DALLAS CITY, EL PASO CITY AND EL PASO COUNTY ARE NOT HOLDING THEIR SESSIONS IN PERSON.

TRAVIS COUNTY, DALLAS COUNTY ARE DOING WHAT WE ARE DOING.

IT IS A HYBRID MODEL. AND I FOR MY PART, YOU KNOW, AS I SAID, 6% OF THE POPULATION HAS BEEN VACCINATED. I AM PART OF THE OTHER 94.

I'M NOT TRYING TO GET IT MYSELF.

I KNOW THAT IT IS TO THE CLEAR WHETHER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED CAN STILL PASS IT ON, BUT I HAVE BEEN TOO CAREFUL FOR TOO LONG. I DO FEEL THAT YES ARE -- THINGS ARE OPENING TOO SOON. TOO SOON I THINK.

I HOPE I AM WRONG. I JUST WANT TO -- THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS I HAVE MISSED. SOME OF THE STUFF THAT I WISH I HAD GONE TO, BUT FOR THE SAKE OF SETTING AN EXAMPLE.

YOU KNOW, I AM TRYING TO SET AN EXAMPLE.

I DON'T WANT TO SET AN EXAMPLE THAT ALL BETS ARE OFF.

I WILL CONTINUE TO REDOUBLE THE EFFORTS TO GET THIS VACCINATION SO THAT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER I FEEL IT IS THE RIGHT EXAMPLE AND THE RIGHT THING FOR ME PERSONALLY FROM A HEALTH STANDPOINT TO SPEND MULTIPLE HOURS MASKLESS WITH FOLKS AND THE STAFF. RIGHT NOW, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY, I HAVE TO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONERS GARCIA AND ELLIS SAID. I APPRECIATE YOUR KINDNESS IN BRINGING THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION, BUT THAT'S MY TWO CENTS. THAT WAS ITEM 11.

>> JUDGE. IS THERE ANY ACTION ON THIS

ITEM OR NO ACTION? >> TOM RAMSEY: NO ACTION.

>> THANK YOU. >> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU, JAMES. ITEM 69.

JACK PETERSON. YES, COMMISSIONER?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: I ASKED TO DISCUSS THAT ITEM.

I HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING JACK WHEN I WAS SHERIFF AND I WAS MAKING REGULAR VISITS TO DC.

JACK WAS ALWAYS KIND TO HOST ME AND SET UP A FEW MEETINGS.

TODAY'S CONVERSATION RECORDING THE BOND ELECTION -- IF THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO HAVE SHINED IT IS THAT WE HAVE HAD THE SAME REPRESENTATION. I MET JACK IN 2009.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG HE HAS BEEN THE LOBBYIST UP THERE.

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT SUCCESS WE HAVE GOTTEN FROM THAT REPRESENTATION. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SPECIFICALLY ON THE FLOOD BOND MONEY WHAT WORK HAS BEEN DONE

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BY MR. PETERSON. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME REPORTS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN ANY REPORT.

I STAY IN ALMOST DAILY CONTACT THESE DAYS WITH MY FOLKS IN AUSTIN AS WE NAVIGATE WHETHER IT IS TESTING SITES AND VACCINES AND HARVEY RECOVERY. I AM IN CONSTANT RECOVERY WITH MY GUY HERE. THERE ARE A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS GOING BACK AND FORTH. I THINK HE IS A FINE INDIVIDUAL. BUT THE CURRENT STANDING WITH HUD, IF IT TURNS OUT TO BE SOMETHING THAT STAYS THE WAY IT IS. I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE WE GET AN IDEA OF WHAT IS BEING DONE ON THE HUD DOLLARS AND SEE

SOME REPORTS AS WELL. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER

ELLIS? >> RODNEY ELLIS: THANK YOU, JUDGE. COMMISSIONER GARCIA, I CERTAINLY HAVE NO PROBLEM WITHHOLDING THIS -- WITH HOLDING THIS ITEM. IT IS APPROPRIATE TO REVIEW IT. I KNOW JACK PETERSON AND I THINK HIGHLY OF HIM. I KNOW WE ADDED TO THE MIX AND WE HELD IT FOR AWHILE. ANOTHER FIRM I THINK WE PAY ANOTHER FEW THOUSAND A MONTH AND IT IS 240.

I AM AMAZED I GO SOMEWHERE AND READ SOMETHING WHERE THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE BILL. HAVE I TO KEEP FROM BEING EMBARRASSED FROM 31 OF THE BIGGEST EGOS IN THE STATE.

I USED TO JOKE AND SAY EVERYBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PASSING A BILL OTHER THAN THE PERSON THAT CARRIED IT.

I KNOW THERE IS A TENDENCY. WE DO IT AS WELL WITH WHATEVER WE GET WE ARE SO GREAT THAT WE GOT THIS 900 MILLION THAT IS COMING FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

I DO THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I AGREE WAS AN EYE FORWARD -- AN EYE TOWARD THE COST BENNETT -- COST BENEFIT RATIO. IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE LAST ADMINISTRATION AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WILL HAPPEN UNDER THIS ONE. I DO THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE TO REVIEW. I WON'T ASK YOU, COMMISSIONER GARCIA, IN THE PUBLIC IF YOU HAD YOUR SHOTS.

CONGRESS IS MEETING NEXT WEEK AND THE FOLLOWING WEEK.

HOPEFUL -- HOPEFULLY YOU AND I CAN GO.

I WOULD LIKE TO GET MY DENTAL WORK DONE SO IN CASE CAGLE GETS ENOUGH NERVE TO TRY AND GRAB MY TEETH, I WANT TO BE PERFECT IF WE ARE MEETING IN PERSON IF HE DOES THAT.

SO THE WEEK AFTER NEXT MAYBE YOU AND I WILL GO IN ADDITION TO THE REPORTS YOU GET, WE MIGHT MEET WITH JACK PETERSON. HE HAS ALWAYS BEEN GRACIOUS TO MEET WITH ME. AT THE END OF THE DAY IT IS DELIVERABLES. THERE IS A BIG FIGHT IN WHAT WE SPEND IN AUSTIN. PEOPLE SPEND MONEY AND THEY MAKE THEIR CASE. THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE AND I

WON'T GET INTO THAT. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: SO I WILL

HOLD THIS ITEM, JUDGE. >> LINA HIDALGO: SO NO ACTION ON ITEM 69. EYE 1089 IS THE COUNTY'S ROLLOVER POLICY. COMMISSIONER CAGLE?

>> R. JACK CAGLE: YOUR HONOR, I'VE GOT FOUR SUBJECT MATTER POINTS I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ON THE ROLL OVER.

FOUR BROAD POINTS AND SUB POINTS.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK DAVID BERRY BECAUSE HE AND I HAD EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ON THESE, AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMPLIMENT

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HIM. MAYBE IT IS THAT RICE THING GOING, SMA SMALL SCHOOL OFF -- GOING, THAT SMALL SCHOOL OFF MAIN. IF YOU NOTE, JUDGE, PRECINCT 4 WHEN WE HAVE OUR SIGNS THAT SAY QUESTION, THEY ARE IN RICE BLUE. WHEN THE FRIGSER -- WHEN THE FRIGSER OF PRECINCT 3 HOLDS HIS UP DO YOU NOTE THE COLOR?

>> LINA HIDALGO: AGGIE MAROON. I WAS TOLD THEY HAD MAROON, BUT IT WAS A BAD BATCH OF PAINT AND THEY WERE STUCK WITH THAT COLOR. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S TRUE OR NOT. THAT'S RICE'S LEGEND OF TEXAS A&M. LET'S GET TO THE FOUR POINTS HERE, JUDGE. THE FIRST IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNEE -- TO ME. AFTER COME PLAY MEANTING MY RICE GRAD. THE THE FIRST ONE, I THINK NOW IT IS A BROKEN PROMISE. YEARS AGO WHEN WE SET THIS APPROACH TO WHERE WE SHIFTED FROM WHERE EVERYBODY HAD A BUDGET: IF YOU DIDN'T SPEND IT YOU LOST.

IT EVERYBODY WAS OUT BUYING PENCILS AND THINGS TO KEEP FROM LOSING THE BUDGET. PEOPLE WERE LEERY WHEN WE MOVED INTO ROLL OVER THING. IT WAS A LITTLE MORE MODERN.

WHAT HAPPENED WAS IT BENEFITED US IN A NUMBER OF WAYS AND PEOPLE WERE DE PEN ACCIDENT -- DEPENDENT.

WE INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO NOT RAISE TAXPAYER RESOURCES.

IF YOU ARE IN ANY OF OUR OFFICES OR THE DIRECTORS CAN FIND WAYS TO SAVE MONEY THEY ARE INCENTIVIZED TO DO SO BECAUSE THEY GET TO INVEST THOSE FUNDS IN THINGS THAT THEY THINK BEST HELP THEM SERVE THE PUBLIC.

IT IS AN APPROACH TO WHERE WE INCENTIVIZE SAVINGS AS OPPOSED TO SPENDING EVERYTHING YOU HAVE AND IF YOU DON'T SPEND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE -- IF YOU HAVE AN EXPENDITURE THEY COME TO COMMISSIONER'S COURT. IT IS A SPEND IT AND COME WHENEVER YOU NEED MENTALITY. SECONDLY, JUDGE, WE USED TO HAVE TO DO A LOT OF TANS, TAX ANTICIPATION NOTES.

YOU CALL THEM PAY DAY LOANS. WITH EVERYTHING BEING SPENT THERE WASN'T MONEY IN THE SYSTEM WE COULD RELY ON.

THERE IS NOW MONEY IN THE SYSTEM AND WE DON'T HAVE TO BORROW FROM THE OUTSIDE. WE HAVE OUR OWN SAVINGS INNING TER NATIONALLY. INTERNATIONALLY.

THE THIRD THING I WILL TALK ABOUT -- THERE ARE OTHER REASONS. IT IS A BEST PRACTICES MENTAL -- MENTALITY AND THIS COULD BE A DISADVANTAGE.

I THINK IT IS BEST TO LET THOSE WITH THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND DECIDE WHERE THEIR DOLLARS ARE SPENT AS OPPOSED TO THOSE OF US WHO SIT AROUND THIS HORSESHOE BEING THE ONLY NIP TENT PURVEYORS OF WHAT IS BEST FOR SOMEBODY ON THE GROUND TRYING TO DECIDE WHAT PIECE OF EQUIPMENT THEY SHOULD HAVE REAR -- RATHER THAN GIVING THEM THE DECISION CREATION -- DISCRETION BECAUSE WE ADOPTED THIS APPROACH AND NOW WE ARE GOING TO SHIFT IT AND TAKE AWAY THEIR SAVINGS ACCOUNT, WE ARE TAKING THEIR PIGGY BANKS AWAY FROM THEM AND I FEEL LIKE WE ARE SENDING A BAD MESSAGE TO THOSE WHO FOR A LONGTIME WERE ADJUSTING TO THE NEW SYSTEM LIKE THE SYSTEM RELIED ON IT. I DON'T THINK IT IS FAIR TO THEM. THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE TWEAKED. I AM IN AGREEMENT WITH MR. BERRY POINTING OUT SALARY SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THE ROLL OVER. THAT IS ALY CURING EXPERIENCE -- A RECURRING EXPENSE.

IF YOU ARE PAYING FOR EMPLOYEES, IT NEVER GOES AWAY. IT IS A CONSTANT FLIP.

OR IF YOU USE YOUR ROLL OVER TO GET AN EMPLOYEE, THAT'S ONE YEAR AND NOW ARE YOU NOT DONE AND HAVE BUILT TO SOMETHING ON THE OTHER SIDE. IT IS A VALID CRITICISM AND I

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AGREE SALARIES ORB RECURRING EXPENSES SHOULD NOT BE PART OF THE ROLL OVER. I SEE PROBLEMS LIKE JUDGE ADAMS WHO HAS BEEN CALLING ALL OF US, AND IT IS THE SAME AS JAY GREEN, AND I APPEARED IF FRONT OF HIM.

IT NEEDED HELP WHEN HE WAS THERE.

WE COULD CALL HIM UP AND HE WILL VOUCH FOR THAT.

THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ROTATED THROUGH AND IT IS TIME TO FIX THE PLACE UP OR BUILD A NEW ONE.

A NEW ONE RIGHT NOW IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE AS OPPOSED TO FIXING IT UP. SHE HAS A ROLL OVER WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO RAISE MONEY. SHE SHOUGH -- SHE SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEND THE ROLL OVER FUNDS.

>> WE HAVE FOLKS WHO ARE ABOUT TO BUY CARS FOR THEIR LAW ENFORCEMENT ENTITY. THEY SAVED UP.

IT IS AN AUTOMOBILE TO SERVE THE PUBLIC AND NOW THEY ARE POE 10 HALL -- POTENTIALLY AT RISK.

I KNOW WE HAVE THIS SYSTEM THEY CAN COME WITH THEIR TIN CUP AND COME TO DAVID BERRY. IF THEIR CASE IS SAD ENOUGH OR GOOD ENOUGH HE WILL SEND IT FOR US TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO.

I DON'T KNOW IF I LIKE THE TIN CUP APPROACH.

HE PROMISED HE WON'T BE FAIR AND OVERLY CRUEL.

AND WE PROMISE WHEN WE TAKE PEOPLE'S PIGGY BANK DOWN -- I WILL OFFER A FOURTH POINT. I HAVE SENT THIS AROUND.

FOR THIS YEAR SINCE WE ARE TRANSITIONING AWAY FROM SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WERE EXPECTING TO SOMETHING NEW.

I REQUEST WE LET THEM KEEP. LET THEM KEEP THE 25%.

THEN THE NEXT YEAR WE SAY YOU DON'T GET TO KEEP YOUR PIGGY BANK. WE ARE LOOKING AT YOU.

IF YOU DON'T USE IT, YOU MAY LOSE IT OR WHATEVER ELSE WE WANT TO TELL THEM. BUT TO GIVE AT LEAST A BUFFER TO THE TRAN -- TO THE TRANSITION.

THAT'S MY REQUEST. IF YOU WANT TO USE MY TRANSITION TO BUFFER AND TAKE A LITTLE PAIN OF OFF THE TRANSITION, I UNDERSTAND. I THINK IT IS NOT FAIR WITHOUT MUCH NOTICE TO ZAP THEM WITHOUT GIVING THEM A BUFFER

IN THE TRANSITION. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER GARCIA AND THEN COMMISSIONER ELLIS.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MR. BERRY ABOUT THIS. I WILL JUST SAY THAT I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE'S MONEY AND NOT THE OFFICIALS' MONEY, AND THIS WAS NOT TRANSPARENT TO THE CITIZENS. I THINK WE HAVE SEEN THE EVIDENCE THAT MR. BERRY IS THE TYPE OF FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATOR WE SHOULD HAVE HAD A LONGTIME AGO.

HAVING BEEN A PART -- PARTICIPANT IN THE ROLL OVER PROCESS AS SHERIFF, THERE HAS BEEN SOME DEGREE OF INCONSISTENCY IN WHAT THE POLICY WAS.

IT WOULD BE FOR THE THINGS THEY THOUGHT THEY NEEDED.

IT WOULD NOT BE FOR PERSONNEL.

WITH ALL THAT ASIDE, I REALLY JUST WANT THE COUNTY TO HAVE A BETTER Y -- APPROACH TO 130 MILLION EXISTING TODAY.

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WE STILL BUDGET REGARDLESS OF THE ROLL OVER.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO GIVE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON THEIR PRIORITIES AND NAVIGATE THROUGH THOSE THINGS. WE JUST HAD A VOTE ON THE CIP. CARS SHOULD BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT BROS SUCCESS. AS A SHERIFF AND AS A COMMISSIONER AND AS A COUNCILMEMBER, IF WE DO LEAD A LOT OF AMBIGUITY -- I SHOULD SAY A LOT OF DISCRETION, THEN THE THINGS THE YEN GENERAL HAS REPORTED ON WHAT WE HAD ON OUR SHELF THAT WAS NEVER USED. WE CAN'T SUPPORT IT.

WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL. IT MIGHT ALLOW SOMEONE TO PURCHASE SOMETHING. WE MAY GO THROUGH THE LIFE OF THE TECHNOLOGY LIKE WE ARE ABOUT TO DO WITH PEOPLE SOFT WHERE WE ARE FINALLY GETTING IT IMPLEMENTED.

WE WILL HAVE TO LOOK FOR A NEW SYSTEM TO REPLACE PEOPLE SOFT. WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S MONEY. I THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THE ELECTED OFFICIAL HAD -- ELECTED OFFICIALS ALLOW THEM TO HEAR THE CONCERN AND RESPOND TO IT.

I HAVE BEEN THROUGH TOO MANY REQUESTS AND YOU DON'T HAVE FRIENDS ON COMMISSIONER'S COURT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE APPROACH THIS IN A TRUE BEST PRACTICE. I TALKED TO A LOT OF OFFICIALS AND THEY SAID THANK YOU FOR DOING THE ROLL OVER THING.

I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS ADOPTED THE ROLL OVER.

>> THE FIRST PRINCIPAL IS THIS IS THE PEOPLE'S MONEY.

AND BEFORE THIS CONVERSATION I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THERE IS 130 MILLION TUCKED AWAY IN PLACES.

AND THEN MOST IMPORTANTLY I COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND HOW WE WOULD GO THROUGH BUDGETING AND SEE A BUDGET PROPOSAL YET THERE IS 10 MILLION, 20 MILLION, 30 MILLION SOCKED AWAY. I AM NOT SURE WHERE THAT IS CONSIDERED A FINANCE APPROACH. IT WAS ONE OF THE ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT DIDN'T ALWAYS -- I SHOULDN'T SAY DIDN'T ALWAYS. NEVER GOT THE ANSWER I WAS LOOKING FOR IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS AND THEN GOT MIXED MESSAGES ON WHAT THE USE OF THE ROLL OVER WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. I REALLY THINK WE OWE IT TO THE OFFICIALS AND TO OUR TAXPAYERS A CLEAR PICTURE OF WHAT THE COUNTY FINANCES LOOKED LIKE.

COMMISSIONER ELLIS? >> THANK YOU, JUDGE.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR HIM, BUT I WANT TO STRESS THAT IT IS WHAT THE STATE DOES, BUT THE ROLL OVER PRACTICE WAS INEQUITABLE. AND THE SENSE WAS PEOPLE WHO WERE FAVORITES AND MAYBE THE DEPARTMENTS THAT SUCED --

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SUCKED UP A LITTLE MORE COULD SOCK AWAY A LITTLE MONEY AND THAT'S NOT MY FORTE SM -- FORTE.

IT IS AN ARBITRARY NUMBER. YOU HAVE THE SAME INEQUITIES IN PLACE. SOME AGENCIES HAVE 85,000, AND ACCORDING TO MY STAFF, THE HIGHEST ON THE OTHER SIDE WAS $9 MILLION. WHEN THEY ASK FOR THE ADDITIONAL MONEY AND SEEING IF THEY ARE LYING AND WHAT THE COUNTY PRIORITIES WERE. COMMISSIONER CAGLE, I THINK IT HAS A POSITIVE IMPACT ON US USING THE ANTICIPATION NOTES AND THE BOND ANTICIPATION NOTES AND THE GRANT ANTICIPATION NOTES. WE ADD LIVELY DISCUSSION ON THE FLOOD BOND ISSUES AND A LOT OF THAT IS US BANKING ON WHAT WE WILL GET FROM GRANTS. I AM SUPPORTIVE AND WOULD BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION AND ADOPT THE PROPOSAL AND THEY GAVE ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY IN IT BECAUSE THEY CAN STILL COME AND MAKE THEIR CASE AND YOU WERE TRY TO BE FAIR AND BALANCED WHEN DOING IT. THE DEPARTMENTS MIGHT EVEN GET TO KEEP 100% AS NO CAP ON THE AMOUNT.

JUDGE, UNLESS SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY EVEN AFTER MY COLLEAGUES WOULD LET MR. BARRY WALK THROUGH WHY HE WANTS TO DO IT.

>> I THINK THE POINTS HAVE BEEN MADE.

IT WAS PUT IN PLACE WHEN THE COUNTY HAD CASH.

WHILE WE HAVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS I THINK THE HIGHEST CHALLENGE WE FACE IS TO BE GOOD STEWARDS.

THE EXISTING SYSTEM -- WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE GENERAL FUND HERE. IN THE GENERAL FUND IT IS UNLIMITED IN AMOUNT AND UNLIMITED IN TIME.

I THINK IT IS THE WRONG INCENTIVES BECAUSE THE INCENTIVE IS ALWAYS TO ASK FOR MORE MONEY.

TYPICALLY YOU ASK FOR MORE MONEY AND YOU GET IT.

IF YOU GET IT YOU KEEP IT. I THINK WEIRD THINGS HAPPEN BECAUSE SOME DEPARTMENTS DON'T FILL POSITIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT IN THE BUDGET. THEREFORE COME UNDER BUDGET AND MONEY IS ADDED TO THE ROLL OVER THAT CAN BE USED FOR SOMETHING ELSE. AND THEN COMMISSIONER CAGLE MENTIONED THIS WHERE MAYBE BECAUSE THEY WERE TOLD TO, BUT MAYBE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT OR FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS, I AM NOT HERE TO POINT FINGERS.

THE ROLL OVER IS NOT EXACTLY A GOOD IDEA FOR THE REASON COMMISSIONER CAGLE MENTIONED. I DO THINK WE NEED A REFORM HERE AND I THINK WE NEED A TRANSITION.

YOU CAN'T GO FROM ONE WAY OF DOING THINGS TO ANOTHER WITH NO TRANSITION. OUR PROPOSAL FOR THE TRANSITION IS THAT WE WOULD. ARE THERE PLACES THAT IT IS ONLY AVAILABLE BY ROLL OVER? NUMBER TWO, WHETHER IT IS 100% OF THE ROLL OVER OR 20% OF THE ROLL OVER.

IT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. SAME WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT

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VEHICLES. IF IT IS A GOOD IDEA IT SHOULD HAPPEN. WE ARE FINDING A DIFFERENT WAY TO PAY FOR A VEHICLE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT.

WE WILL WORK THROUGH THE PROJECT RATHER THAN SET THE COMMISSION. I WILL PICK ON MYSELF.

WE HAVE ABOUT A $4 MILLION ROLL OVER.

THAT IS SOMETHING I DON'T HAVE A USE FOR.

THE ONLY THING I WANT TO DO IS HIRE MORE SMART PEOPLE.

I DON'T NEED TO BUY EQUIPMENT.

I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO WORK THROUGH THAT.

THAT'S THE TRANSITION I PROPOSED RATHER THAN SETTING A

FIXED NUMBER. >> COMMISSIONER RAMSEY?

>> TOM RAMSEY: I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ROLL OVER MEANS.

I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT AND I UNDERSTAND WHY IT HAPPENED.

WHEN I THINK OF THE DEPARTMENTS AND HAVING THEM GET INVOLVED IN THE RETENTION OF DOLLARS AS AN ODD CONCEPT, WE ARE GOING FROM AN OLD -- FROM ONE WAY TO ANOTHER.

SO WHAT I TOLD EVERYBODY, MR. BERRY, IS THIS.

HE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION. IF YOU NEED 20% OR IF YOU NEED 40% HE WILL LISTEN AND FIGURE THAT OUT.

YOU DO HAVE MONEY TO TRANSITION PEOPLE FROM ONE WAY TO THE OTHER. HE SAID TRUST YOU AND MAKING SURE THE PEOPLE DON'T END UP BEING IMPACTED NEGATIVELY AND SERVICES RENDERED. I HOPE THAT IS THE CASE AND THERE WILL BE MANY OPINIONS. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT.

THE PERCENTAGES ARE DIFFERENT.

JUST LOOK AT IT WHEN YOU ARE MAKING THE TRANSITION.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER ELLIS AND THEN COMMISSIONER

CAGLE. >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE, I WAS JUST GOING TO MOVE WE ADOPT THE POLICY AS UH PROSED -- AS PROPOSED AFTER COMMISSIONER CAGLE'S COMMENT OR QUESTION.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: NOBODY SECONDED MY MOTION SO I WAS GOING TO SAY I THINK MY MOTION DIED BY LACK OF A SECOND.

TO THAT EXTENT I GUESS COMMISSIONER ELLIS IS CALLING

THE QUESTION. >> RODNEY ELLIS: I JUST MOVE ADOPTION. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU MADE A MOTION. I'M SORRY.

I FORGOT. MY STAFF DIDN'T PASS ME A

NOTE. >> R. JACK CAGLE: I MADE A MOTION, BUT I WAS HOPING YOU COMMISSIONER ELLIS WOULD HAVE

SECONDED IT. >> RODNEY ELLIS: IF I WAS IN

THE ROOM I WOULD HAVE. >> LINA HIDALGO: THE CONCERNS RAISED, I DO APPRECIATE THE PROPOSAL THAT IF THERE IS A DEPARTMENT THAT HAS THIS NEED THAT HAS A ONE-TIME COST THAT COULD BE COVERED BY THE ROLL OVER HE WILL WORK WITH HIM ON THAT. IT IS A SMART APPROACH.

IT IS NOT A BLUPT -- BLUNT TOOL.

WHO MADE THE MOTION ON APPROVING AS IS.

COMMISSIONER ELLIS? >> RODNEY ELLIS: YES, MA'AM.

>> LINA HIDALGO: SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GARCIA.

ALL IN FAVOR? >> I.

>> I. >> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED?

>> NO. >> LINA HIDALGO: I AM IN FAVOR

SO THE MOTION CARRIES 4-1. >> R. JACK CAGLE: BUT I AGREE WHAT COMMISSIONER RAMSEY SAID ABOUT DAVE.

I THINK DAVE WILL GIVE EVERYBODY A FAIR SHOT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: ITEM 97. 13 POSITIONS TO REPLACE EXISTING CONTRACTORS. I BELIEVE IT HAS TO DO WITH

UNIVERSAL SERVICES. >> RODNEY ELLIS: I MOVE

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ADOPTION UNLESS SOMEBODY HAS A QUESTION.

>> TOM RAMSEY: I HAD A QUESTION, JUDGE.

ONE OF THOSE POSITIONS IS QUALITY ASSURANCE ANALYST FOR UH DONL. FOR O'DONNELL.

I AGREE WITH 12 OF THOSE, BUT NOT THAT ONE.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE, I MADE THAT COMMENT EARLIER.

I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE PROPOSAL NOT BECAUSE PFM BUT THAT HE MADE THE DECISIONS FOR THE 12 EXCLUDING THE ONE ON THE O'DONNELL AND THAT'S MY MOTION.

>> SO YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR THOSE, BUT VOTE AGAINST THE

OTHERS? >> RODNEY ELLIS: I WILL SECOND

THAT. >> LINA HIDALGO: ALL IN

FAVOR? >> I.

>> I. >> I.

>> JUDGE -- GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY.

>> LINA HIDALGO: WAS THAT JAMES OR JAY.

>> I AM CONFUSE OWED WHAT IS BEING VOTED ON.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: CAN I TAKE A STOP AT IT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER CAGLE.

>> WE JUST VOTED ON 12 OF THE 13 POSITIONS AND WE WERE UNANIMOUS. I THINK WE WERE ABOUT TO HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE 13TH POSITION.

>> WE JUST DIVIDED THE QUESTION.

WE ARE UNANIMOUS ON THE 12TH AND THEN YOU WILL SAY AS TO THE POSITION RELATING TO O'DONNELL SOMEBODY IS GONNA MAKE A MOTION AND THERE WILL BE A SECOND AND WE WILL VOTE

ON THAT ONE SEPARATE. >> WHO MADE THE SECOND?

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER RAMSEY.

ALL IN FAVOR? >> I.

>> I. >> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED?

>> I WILL MAKE A MOTION FOR THE ADDITIONAL.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: SECOND. >> LINA HIDALGO: ALL IN

FAVOR? >> I.

>> I. >> OPPOSED?

>> NO. NO.

>> LINA HIDALGO: I AM IN FAVOR SO THAT CARRIES 3-2.

>> THE NEXT ITEM IS ITEM 118. DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION AND UPDATES REGARDING THE TRANSITION OF ELECTIONS AND VOTER REGISTRATION FUNCTIONS FROM THE HARRIS COUNTY CLERK'S

OFFICE. >> RODNEY ELLIS: I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR TO HEAR HOW THINGS ARE GOING. I READ WHERE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE SAYS THAT IT IS LEGAL TO DO VOTER REGISTRATION. AS LONG AS EVERYTHING IS DIVIDED. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THERE

ARE ADDITIONAL PROBLEMS. >> THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER AND

JUDGE. >> I WILL LEAD OFF WITH A QUICK BIT OF FUN NEWS OR GOOD NEWS.

THE U.S. ELECTIONS ASSISTANT COMMISSION.

SO THAT IS THE NATIONAL ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATION.

AWARDED THE NATIONAL AWARD FOR ELECTIONS FOR THE PROGRAM WE DO TO TRAIN UP HIGH SCHOOLERS AND COLLEGE KIDS.

THAT'S YOUR HIGH SCHOOLS AND HAVE THE YOUNG FOLKS COME OUT AND THERE ARE ELECTION CLERKS THAT MAY NOT BE AS TECH-SAVVY. IT IS EXCITING THAT HARRIS COUNTY HAS WON THAT IN 2020. I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. I THINK YOU WOULD BE HAPPEN TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO CHRISTINA WHO LEADS UP THE PROGRAM AND

RECRUITING OVERALL. >> CONGRATULATIONS.

>> MOST OF THE TRANSITION IS GOING WELL.

WHAT REMAINS IS ANNEXES AND SPACE OVERALL.

>> I'LL BREAK IT DOWN. WHAT WE NEEDED TO GET FROM THE TAX OFFICE AS FAR AS I.T. SERVERS, ET CETERAS AND MOVING OVER THE EMAILS THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED.

WE ARE WORKING OVERNIGHT TO MAKE THE TRANSITION HAPPEN.

THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE IS MORE OF A COMPLICATED SYSTEM.

WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH THEM AND SPOKEN WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. THE BLUNT OF THE TRANSITION WILL NOT HAPPEN UNTIL THE MAY ELECTION AT MY REQUEST.

I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING -- ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING AS WE BRING THE VOTING MACHINES INTO THE MAY ELECTIONS.

I UNDERSTAND IT IS NOT A COUNTY WIDE ELECTION, BUT FOR ME ANY ELECTION IS IMPORTANT. UNIVERSAL SERVICES IS TAKING

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OVER ESSENTIALLY THE FUNCTIONS OF THOSE SERVER AND WHERE THE ELECTION ITEMS ARE HELD. CCO IS MOVING IT OUT OF THE FIRE WALL. THAT MIGHT SOUND BAD, BUT THAT FIRE WALL WASN'T ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING TO PROTECT THE ELECTION SERVER. UNIVERSAL SERVICES HAS PROMISED ME THEY CAN TAKE OVER THE FUNCTION AND THEY CAN TAKE OVER THE HOSTING AS WE MOVE TO A FULL TRANSITION AFTER THE

MAY ELECTION. >> RODNEY ELLIS: WHEN YOU FINISH I HAVE A QUESTION. I DIDN'T WANT TO INTERRUPT.

>> THEY WANTED IT MOVED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE OUT OF THE FIRE WALL AND GET UNIVERSAL SERVICES TAKING THAT OVER.

WE CAN GET INTO THE TECHNICAL PIECES IF YOU WANT, BUT I THINK WE ARE ON A COMPROMISED SOLUTION.

I WILL GO INTO THE ANNEXES UNLESS YOU HAD A QUESTION.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: MAYBE BEFORE THE ANNEXES -- WELL, FINISH

AND I CAN HOLD ON. >> SOUNDS GOOD.

ON THE ANNEXES WHEN Y'ALL DIRECTED US TO FIND THE ANNEX LOCATIONS JOSH STUCKEY WAS ABLE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN WHERE HE LOOKED AT THE WINDOWS THAT THE TAX OFFICE WAS USING AND FOUND BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT THERE THERE WAS SPACES WE CAN SWAP BACK IN. I BELIEVE THEY PROPOSED EIGHT LUGES -- SOLUTIONS AND THE TAX COLLECTOR SAYS THEY DID NOT LIKE THAT PLAN AND SHE MIGHT EVEN GO TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. I BELIEVE, COMMISSIONER ELLIS, AS OF YESTERDAY THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME MOTION.

IT'S GOOD TO GET THINGS ON THE COMMISSIONER'S AGENDA.

WE SEEM TO BE MOVING QUICKLY AND I LOOK FORWARD TO CONVERSATIONS AT THE END OF THE WEEK WHERE WE CAN GET INTO

THE OFFICES MUCH FASTER. >> RODNEY ELLIS: ARE YOU

FINISHED? >> YES, SIR.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS PROCESS IS AS SEEMLESS AS POSSIBLE. I THINK WE GOT A LOT OF INTERNATIONAL ATTENTION THE WAY THE LAST ELECTION WAS RUN WITH -- I HOPE WE CAN THINK ABOUT REGISTERING PEOPLE TO VOTE. I AM GOING TO DO SOME THINGS OUT OF MY OFFICE USING ANY RESOURCES I CAN WITH SO MANY PEOPLE DESPITE THE BATTLE THAT'S MAY GO ON IN AUSTIN.

IT IS PART OF MY DNA. I SAY IT ALL THE TIME MY DAD REMEMBERS WHEN THERE WAS POLL TAXES.

LET US BE THE ONES WHO ARE RE -- RELUCTANT TO PAY FOR IT IF WE DON'T WANT TO DO IT. WHETHER THEY HAVE A DRR OR AN I. THEY SHOULD VOTE FOR ORGANS US. I UH FRESH -- I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU AND JOSH STUCKEY AND THE WORK EVERYBODY PUT INTO IT. I DON'T THINK ANYONE CAN ASK FOR AN OPINION FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.

WHEN I DIDN'T HAVE A CHAIR I HAD TO TO SOMEBODY ELSE.

I DO WANT TO MOVE AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REMOVE THE FACILITY OPTIONS FOR THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR FOR TO DETERMINE AND ENSURE THEY HAVE ACCESS TO IN-PERSON VOTING REGISTRATION AND MAIL BALLOT SERVICES. I KNOW YOU'RE TELLING ME P WORKED OUT. WE CENTERED IT AROUND AND I DON'T I DON'T WANT US TO COME BACK AGAIN IN THREE WEEKS.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: I WILL SECOND IT.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I'M SENDING IT AROUND.

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WE ARE SENDING IT AROUND. I MOVE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE REVIEW THE OPTIONS FOR LEGALITY AND DETERMINE WHICH ALLOCATION OF SPACE WILL HAVE ACCESS TO VOTER REGISTRATION

AND MAIL IN BALLOTS. >> LINA HIDALGO: GO AHEAD, JAY

AND THEN COMMISSIONER CAGLE. >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY TWO THINGS. AS YOU CORRECTLY STATED, COMMISSIONER THE TAX ASSESSOR HAD AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION AND PRIOR TO THAT ASKED US TO ANSWER A SERIES OF LEGAL QUESTIONS. AS A MATTER OF POLICY, AS YOU STATED, ONLY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THIS CASE AS -- HAS THE ABILITY TO REQUEST ONE AND DEPARTMENTS ARE NOT.

I DON'T KNOW THE PRACTICES IN THE PAST, BUT WE DON'T ASK FOR ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINIONS. OUR OPINION IS WHAT CONTROLS IN THIS MODEL. IT RESPONDED BACK TO THE TAX OFFICE. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE THE COURT. THE FACILITY DOES NOT BELONG TO A DEPARTMENT. THEY ARE THE ARBITOR FOR HOW THEY ARE USED. JOSH STUCKEY WAS EMPOWERED BY THE COURT TO MAKE THE DECISION. THE PLAN THEY HAVE PUT OUT IS CONSISTENT LEGALLY WITH THE AUTHORITY YOU HAVE GIVEN THEM. IN TERMS OF ANY QUESTIONS RAISED WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES AT ALL.

WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE DIRECTION THAT JOSH HAS LAID OUT IN TERMS OF PROCEEDING FORWARD.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER CAGLE.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: THANK YOU, YOUR HONOR.

I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS UNDER 118 AS PRESENTED AND I HAVE A SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS THAT DEAL WITH COMMISSIONER'S -- COMMISSIONER ELLIS' MOTION. I FEEL CONFIDENT ABOUT THE ONE COMMISSIONER ELLIS WAS SECONDING BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE CIP AND THAT WAS A CIP ISSUE.

THE QUESTION HERE IS I WOULD LIKE FOR MR. -- IF YOU CAN TAKE A PEEK AT MR. ELLIS' MOTION AND MAKE SURE IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN ADEQUATELY NOTICED FOR TODAY.

AS TO 118 PROPER, THE FIRST IS ALSO TO YOU, MR. AYER, THERE IS BONDING REQUIREMENTS THAT THE COUNTY CLERK HAS, AND THERE IS BONDING REQUIREMENTS THE TAX ASSESSOR COLLECTOR

HAS. >> CORRECT.

>> HAS EVERYTHING BEEN REVIEWED AND MET WITH REGARD TO EA LONGORIA. I DON'T WANT HER TO GET IN TROUBLE BETWEEN TWO SETS OF BONDING REQUIREMENTS?

>> YES, ALL OF THE ISSUES RELATED TO BONDING HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH. THERE ARE NO ISSUES RELATED TO THE CO-LOCATION IN TERMS OF HAVING AN EFFECT ON -- SORT OF ENHANCING OR REQUIRING DIFFERENT BONDING CAPACITY FOR THE TAX OFFICE OR THE CLERK'S OFFICE.

SCWAK

>> R. JACK CAGLE: THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE WITH REGARD TO MAIL BALLOTS COMING TO A CO-LOCATION.

WHO GETS TO TOUCH THEM AND WHO DOESN'T? WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS WITH REGARD TO THAT.

IN MY OLD DAYS IT WOULD BE THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS MAINTAINED PROP -- APPROPRIATELY. WE DON'T WANT IT GOING TO ONE DEPARTMENT AND THEN TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER.

IS THAT ALL BEING COVERED AND LOOKED AT AND ANALYZED TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM OR A CHALLENGE TO 65 BALLOTS MOVING IN AND THEN ONE GROUP RECEIVING IT.

>> THE QUESTION, IN THIS PLAN, THERE COULD BE A COUPLE WAYS.

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THE TAX OFFICE WILL DEPP PEW -- DEPUTIZE THEIR FOLKS THAT ALTHOUGH THEY WERE NOT PART OF THE VOTER REGISTRATION TEAMS TO TOUCH FORMS AND THEN BRING THEM TO THE REGISTRATION OFFICE. THAT WAS PROPOSED THAT IT COULD SAVE MONEY, ET CETERA ON SHARING STAFF.

FOR THAT EXACT REASON IT WILL NOT WORK AND WE NEED WINDOWS THAT ARE DEDICATED SOLELY TO THE EAD OFFICE.

THEY ARE IN ITS LOCATIONS. BY THE WAY WE WILL DOUBLE TASK OUR CALL CENTER FOLKS TO BE THE DOUBLE SERVICES FOLKS WE ARE TRYING TO BE GOOD WITH MONEY.

BY DEFINITION OF BEING A FULL EMPLOYEE THEY CAN TOUCH THE BALLOTS AND BRING THEM INTO THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY.

WHAT THAT MEANS IN EFFECT IS SHOULD ANYTHING NEED TO BE LEFT OVERNIGHT AT AN OFFICE, IT WOULD BE IN A SECURE LOCATION THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO A CODE.

NOT TO GET TOO MUCH IN THE WEEDS THERE, BUT WHEN WE COME UP ON ELECTION TIME WE WORK REALLY HARD TO GET TRUCKS OUT THERE EVERY DAY TO BRING THEM TO THE CENTRAL LOCATION SO

THEY CAN BE VAULTED UP. >> TO SEGUE, THERE ARE TWO OPTIONS THERE. ONE IS USING THE EXISTING TAX OFFICE AND THAT'S WHAT YOU AREY LEADING TO.

THE OTHER IS THEY ARE ESSENTIALLY THE STAFF AND IT IS ACTUALLY HER OFFICE THERE. THE CHAIN IN CUSTODY QUESTION CAN BE MORE EASILY SOLVED, BUT YOU CAN GET TO IT, BUT IT MAKES THE SYSTEM MORE COUPLE BETTER SO MANY.

AS YOU GET CLOSE TO DEADLINES, WHEN THAT IS ACCEPTED, THAT IS IN A EA HAND.

THESE ARE POLICY QUESTIONS FOR THE COURT WITH THE INPUT FROM THE EA AND THE TAX OFFICE.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: MY THIRD QUESTION IS A FOLLOW-UP.

THAT RELATES TO THE TRANSITION OF SERVERS AND THE OTHER ITEMS. IF I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING, YOU WILL BE UTILIZING THE CLERKS OR THE TAX ASSESSORS COMPUTER SYSTEM. AND THEN YOU ARE GOING TO TRANSITION THE DATABASES AND THE SERVICING TO YOUR SHOP? DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY?

>> WE GOT THEM IN THE TRANSITION.

THE SERVERS WE USE SHARE A SAME RACK.

SO ESSENTIALLY THEY GO ON THE SAME SHELF WITH OTHER CCO'S AND THINGS STAYING WITH CCO. RIGHT NOW CCO IS NOT LETTING US USE THEIR CLOSET WHERE THESE ARE STORED TO ALLOW THE SERVER TO BE STORED SO WE DON'T HAVE TO UNPLUG IT AND PLUG IT BACK IN AT THE UNIVERSAL SERVICES SITE.

THE ONLY THEN THEY ARE ALLOWING IS US TO KEEP IT IN THAT CLOSET. THE REST IS UNDER US.

>> THE TAX UH SCISSOR -- THE TAX ASSESSOR, NEITHER OF THEM ARE DOING ANYTHING WITH YOUR SERVERS EXCEPT IF THEY DUST THE ROOM THEY MAY DUST A PIECE OF DUST OFF THE SERVER?

>> THEY ARE STILL HAPPENING IN THE TRANSITION.

THEY HAVE CODERS WHO HAVE CODED PART OF THE ELECTION PROCESS BEFORE THAT DID NOT COME WITH US IN THE TRANSITION. THEY ARE IMPARTING THAT KNOWLEDGE AS THEY ARE DOING THE TASK OF LEARNING THESE THINGS TO EXECUTE THE MAY ELECTION.

AND I WILL JUMP AHEAD. WE ASKED THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND THEY ARE A-OKAY OF THIS PLAN.

PER THE ELECTION CODE THEY RECOMMEND WE CONTINUE WITH THE TRANSITION PLAN. THE CODE SAID THEY WOULD MOVE AS SOON AS PRACTICE PARTICULARRABLE AND NOT AS SOON AS WE -- PRACTICABLE. AS WE HOPED.

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>> I WILL CREDIT THE BOOTS YOU WEAR BECAUSE YOU MIND READ MY

NEXT QUESTION. >> Y'ALL VOTED ME IN TO THINK AHEAD ON THESE QUESTIONS AND NOT PRESENT MORE PROBLEMS.

>> IT IS GOOD AND THE SOS PROTECTS THE PEOPLE IN HARRIS COUNTY AND WE ARE THANKFUL FOR UNIVERSAL SERVICES JUMPING IN AND MAKE -- PICKING UP THE PIECES WE WERE LEFT WITH.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER RAMSEY.

>> TOM RAMSEY: BEING A PERSON THAT HAS PRIMARILY PARTICIPATED IN THE MAY ELECTIONS FOR THE LAST FEW DECADES, THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT.

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TELL YOU HOW IMPORTANT THEY ARE TO SCHOOL DISTRICTS AND AREA CITIES SO WE HAVE TO GET IT RIGHT. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO CREATE CONFUSION TO THE VOTER. IF PEOPLE ARE USED TO GOING TO THE 10 AN -- ANNEXES WE DON'T NEED TO DISRUPT THAT.

I FOR ONE THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

WE HAVE THE SPACE THERE. THE BIGGEST THING WE HAVE IS THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE ARE USED TO GOING TO DO THAT.

THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. WE DON'T NEED TO CREATE CONFUSION WITH THE VOTERS. I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING.

WE PUT FOLKS IN THE BUILDING THAT HAVE BEEN DOING IT WITH THE FOLKS THAT START DOING. IT TWO EYES ARE -- TWO EYES

ARE BETTER THAN ONE. >> RODNEY ELLIS: IF I MIGHT.

I I WILL WITHDRAW THE MOTION. THE DISCUSSION SHOWS IT IS NOT NECESSARY. I SEPTEMBER A SECOND ONE AROUND AND IT IMPLEMENTS WHAT COMMISSIONER RAMSEY JUST SAID. I WANT TO DIRECT THE ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE THE PLAN TO USE COUNTY ANNEX IN

PLACE. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: SECOND.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I THOUGHT IT WAS WORKED OUT AND WE DON'T

WANT IT TO COME BACK AGAIN. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: SECOND.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: SO DIRECT ELECTIONS ADMINISTRATOR AND OTHER RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS, THREE LIENS, TO -- THREE LINES, TO EXECUTE THE PLAN TO USE COUNTY SPACE AS PROPOSED

BY MR. JOSH STUCKEY. >> LINA HIDALGO: DID YOU GET

THAT, JAMES? >> RODNEY ELLIS: AND WITHDREW

THE FIRST ONE. >> LINA HIDALGO: WE WITHDREW THE FIRST ONE AND THIS NEW ONE BY ELLIS AND SECONDED BY

GARCIA. >> IS THIS THE ONE YOU JUST

SENT OUT AT 4:35 P.M. >> RODNEY ELLIS: YES.

>> I'M READING IT. >> LINA HIDALGO: IS IT OKAY TO

MAKE SOME MOTION. >> YES.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: JAY YOU HAVE READ THIS ONE --

>> R. JACK CAGLE: JAY, HAVE YOU READ THIS ONE?

>> I HAVE. >> LINA HIDALGO: WE CAN COME

BACK TO IT. >> R. JACK CAGLE: NO, JUDGE.

I DON'T WANT TO HOLD IT UP. I THINK I AM GOING TO BE VOTING AGAINST THIS ANYWAY, JUST BECAUSE UNTIL I GET ALL OF MY QUESTIONS RESOLVED WITH THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AND THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE ARE GETTING CLOSE TO THERE. I HAVE BEEN CONSISTENTLY VOTING AGAINST ALL OF THESE ITEMS ANYWAY, BUT I DON'T THINK I SEE A PROBLEM WITH WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IT.

LET'S JUST VOTE ON IT. I CAN -- I WILL VOTE NO TO BE

CONSISTENT. >> RODNEY ELLIS: MOVE IT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: MOTION AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GARCIA. ALL IN FAVOR.

>> I. >> I.

>> NO. >> LINA HIDALGO: MOTION CARRIES 4-1. I'M IN FAVOR.

IT HAS BEEN TWO HOURS SINCE WE CAME BACK.

TIME FLU. I PRO -- FINAL FLEW.

I PROPOSE A 15-MINUTE BREAK. IT IS 4:43 AND LET'S BE

>> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE, I WASN'T SLEEPING?

-- I WASN'T SLEEPING. >> LINA HIDALGO: I JUST GOT HERE. IT IS 5:02 AND COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS BACK IN SESSION. WE JUST FINISHED THE ITEM ON THE ELECTION ADMINISTRATOR. THE NEXT IS 157.

AND IT IS THE ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE LEGAL GROUP.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I MOVE IT. SOME MAY WANT TO MOVE -- VOTE AGAINST. IT COMMISSIONER GARCIA, DO YOU WANT TO MOVE IT AND I WILL SECOND IT?

>> LINA HIDALGO: ANY DISCUSSION?

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ALL IN FAVOR? >> I.

>> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED? >> NO.

>> LINA HIDALGO: I AM IN FAVOR SO THE MOTION CARRIES 3-2.

THE NEXT IS 172. AN AGREEMENT WITH PFM.

>> I MOVE IT. >> SECOND.

>> LINA HIDALGO: MOTIONED BY COMMISSIONER GARCIA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER ELLIS.

ALL IN FAVOR? >> I.

>> I. >> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED?

>> NO. >> NO.

>> LINA HIDALGO: I'M IN FAVOR.

THE MOTION CARRIES THREE-2. 3-2.

ITEM 201 IS A NO ACTION. THE MEMBERS OF THE CFRTF

REQUESTED NO ACTION. >> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE I THOUGHT WE HAD 178 ON THE LIST TOO.

>> LINA HIDALGO: YES. LET'S GO BACK TO IT.

THAT WAS AN OVERSIGHT. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: THAT WAS MY ITEM. I WILL MOVE IT.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: SECOND. >> LINA HIDALGO: I DON'T THINK WE HAD TAKEN IT -- IT WAS IN THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> IT WAS VOTED WITH THE CONSENT AGENDA.

>> LINA HIDALGO: 201, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WERE GOING TO HOUSE THE COMMUNITY FLOOD RESILIENCE TASK FORCE SO THE TASK FORCE HAS QUESTIONS. WE WILL GIVE THEM TIME TO ASK QUESTIONS AND BRING BACK. COMMISSIONER CAGLE?

>> R. JACK CAGLE: I HAVE QUESTIONS.

IF THE TASK FORCE IS GOING TO TAKE IT UP THAT WOULD BE GOOD. THERE ARE TYPOS THAT NEED TO BE CLEANED UP AND A FEW DEFINITION THAT'S HAD PROBLEM HAD. MY LEGAL MIND HAD PICKED UP A FEW THINGS. IF THEY ARE WORKING ON IT SOME MORE LET ME WAIT UNTIL IT COMES BACK BECAUSE THEY ARE PROBABLY PICKING UP THE SAME THING I AM.

I AM HAPPY TO NOT DISCUSS IT IF WE ARE TAKING NO ACTION AT

THIS TIME. >> LINA HIDALGO: SO NO ACTION ON 201. 202 IS THE TRANSMITAL OF THE MEMBERSHIP LIST FOR THE COMMUNITY FLOOD RESILIENCE TASK FORCE. OUR APPOINTEES HAVE SELECTED THE FOLKS AND I THINK THERE IS A GREAT GROUP.

THE FACILITATOR I BELIEVE IS ON BOARD AND IT IS EXCITING.

IS THERE A MOTION ON THE -- >> ADRIAN GARCIA: SO MOVED.

>> TOM RAMSEY: SECOND. >> LINA HIDALGO: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER GARCIA. A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER RAMSEY. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> I. >> I.

>> LINA HIDALGO: MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

ITEM 206 DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION ON THE DISASTER RECOVERY AFTER THE WINTER STORM.

I DON'T SAY THE NAME BECAUSE THE MISTS -- METEOROLOGISTS GET OFFENDED BECAUSE IT IS A WEATHER CHANNEL NAME.

WE KNOW WHAT STORM WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

COMMISSIONER ELLIS, I BELIEVE, YOU WANTED TO KEEP THIS ONE? OH HE HAS NO SOUND. COMMISSIONER ELLIS, WOULD YOU

LIKE ME TO CALL YOUR CELL? >> ADRIAN GARCIA: I THINK

COMMISSIONER CAGLE CAN ACT -- >> LINA HIDALGO: GO AHEAD.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: COMMISSIONER CAGLE HACKED COMMISSIONER

ELLIS' AUDIO. >> R. JACK CAGLE: THE LEAST TECHNOLOGICALLY SAVVY GUY IN THE ROOM.

LOUD

>> RODNEY ELLIS: YEAH, YOU HAD MY SOUND? I DIDN'T KNOW IF I TOUCHED SOMETHING OR IT JUST WENT

AWAY. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: WE HEARD YOU

LOUD AND CLEAR. >> LINA HIDALGO: WE ARE ON

206, COMMISSIONER ELLIS. >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE, WHEN MISS PURSELL WAS SPEAKING EARLIER I READ HER OP-ED AND I KNOW I CALLED YOU ABOUT THIS, BUT WHAT I WANT TO DO IS JUST TRY TO ASK THE DEPARTMENT TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT TALKS ABOUT THE DISPARITY. AND WE CAN COMBINE THEM.

PUT YOUR MASK ON. CAGLE WILL SAY YOU ARE COMING OVER HERE WITH NO MASK ON. I SENT THE MOTION AROUND.

IT IS BASICALLY ASKING COMMUNITY SERVICES TO COME UP WITH -- SEE, WHEN I LOST MY BILL I WENT CRAZY.

IT IS BASICALLY MOVING TO DIRECT COMMUNITY SERVICES TO WORK WITH RELEVANT PRECINCTS TO SUPPORT RESIDENCES APPLYING FOR FEMA AFTER WINTER STORM URI AND TO DEVELOP A PROGRAM

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TO PROVIDE, REPAIR AND RECOVER RESOURCES SO THE LOW NM -- LOW INCOME COUNTY RESIDENTS FACING DAMAGE BECAUSE OF WINTER STORM URI. I LOST ALL MY PAPERWORK BY THE

WAY. >> R. JACK CAGLE: I SHOULD NOT DO THIS. I SHOULD NOT DO THIS BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE GETTING MOTIONS ON THE DAY OF, AND WE DIDN'T GET TO -- GET THIS UNTIL 10:15, BUT DIRECTING EVERYBODY TO DO THEIR JOBS, I'M FINE WITH THAT.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: WELL, THANK YOU.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: YOU ARE JUST DIRECTING PEOPLE TO DO THEIR JOB. GET OUT THERE AND SIGN UP.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: ARE YOU EKING ME?

SECONDING ME? >> R. JACK CAGLE: YES.

UNLESS I AM MISSING SOMETHING YOU ARE JUST TELLING PEOPLE TO

DO THEIR JOB. >> RODNEY ELLIS: DO YOU SEE

THAT, RAMSEY? >> TOM RAMSEY: I AM TAKING

NOTES. >> LINA HIDALGO: WE'LL NEED THE MOTION. DO YOU MIND READING IT,

COMMISSIONER CAGLE? >> R. JACK CAGLE: I GOT IT AT 10:15 THIS MORNING. MOTION TO DIRECT THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT TO WORK WITH THE RELEVANT DEPARTMENTS, PRE SINKS AND LOCAL COMMUNITY-BASED ORGANIZATIONS TO CREATE A PLAN TO SUPPORT RESIDENTS IN APPLYING FOR FEMA , INDIVIDUAL ASSISTANCE AND PROVIDE REPAIR ANDLY COVER RERESOURCES -- AND RECOVERY RESOURCES FOR RESIDENTS FACING DAMAGE BECAUSE OF WINTER STORM URI.

I UNDERSTAND COMMISSIONER RAMSEY HAS BEEN WORKING WITH HIS SENIOR PROGRAMS AND COMMUNITY CENTERS.

MANY HAVE MET OUR JAN SEXTON. SHE HAS BEEN A HOOK AND BULL GETTING FOLKS SIGNED UP AND WHATNOT.

I'M SURE COMMISSIONER ELLIS AND COMMISSIONER RAMSEY ARE

DOING THE SAME THING. >> RODNEY ELLIS: I THINK PART OF WHY THE COUNTY HAS BEEN BEHIND MANY OTHER PLACES IN THE COUNTRY IS EVERYTHING IS SO COME PART MENTAL LIESED.

IF WE DON'T UH -- ADOPT IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO.

I DON'T THINK WE MOVE FORWARD ON WHAT I SAY I DO AND WHAT

YOU SAY YOU DO. >> YOU SECONDED YOUR MOTION.

WE ARE NOT WAITING FOR THEM. WE ARE SIGNING FOLKS UP NOW.

>> TOM RAMSEY: WHAT I WAS PROUD OF DURING URI, WAS THE COUNTY FOLKS FROM EVERY DEPARTMENT OUT THERE PROVIDING THE LEADERSHIP TO GET THINGS DONE.

WE HAD CITY FOLKS CALLING US TO HELP PARTNER.

BUT IT WAS THE COUNTY FOLKS TAKING THE LEADERSHIP.

I THINK THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE THING FOR US TO CONTINUE TO DO. IT IS TO BE IN THE LEAD ON

THESE KIND OF THINGS. >> R. JACK CAGLE: LAST COURT I WAS OUT IN A PRECINCT 3 COMMUNITY CENTER WITH THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND AT THE -- AND THEY ARE HANDING OUT WATER.

WE ARE ALL WORKING TO DO STUFF. >> RODNEY ELLIS: LET'S VOTE BEFORE WE HAVE TO PUT OUT THE CRYING RAG.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: BEFORE WE WHAT?

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER GARCIA?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: THANK YOU, JUDGE.

I JUST WANT TO ADD MY TWO CENTS.

FIRST WE WANT TO THANK FEMA. WE STOOD UP THE ASSISTANCE CENTERS RIGHT AWAY. WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE TURNOUT WAS GOING TO BE. CITIZENS THROUGH THE WEEKEND CAME AND DROVE TO OUR ASSISTANCE CENTER AND GOT ACCESS. I WANT TO THANK DR. HOLLOWAY.

ASIDE FROM THE FACT THAT PEOPLE NEEDED HELP TO NAVIGATE JUST THE GENERAL COME POLLUTER SKILLS -- GENERAL COMPUTER SKILLS, THEY NEEDED HELP WITH THE FEMA SITE AND THEIR TERMINOLOGY AND SOME OF THE DETAILS THEY WERE ASKING FOR.

WE GOT THAT HELP FROM AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK DR.

HOLLOWAY. THESE LITTLE THINGS, YOU NEVER KNOW HOW FAR THEY GO. THEY NEED THEM AND DO APPRECIATE THEM. I WANT TO THANK MY TEAM FOR WORKING THROUGH THAT AND FOR ALL OF MY STAFF SERVING AS INTERPRETERS. WE HAVE A LARGE NUMBER OF FAMILIES THAT ARE VICTIMS OF THE FREEZE.

I WAS SO GLAD OF THEM STEPPING FORWARD AND GETTING HELP WHERE

THEY NEED IT. >> SOUNDS LIKE WITH THE WORK WHERE THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AND ALL OF THE PRECINCTS HAVE BEEN DOING THERE IS ACCESS TO THE FEMA SIGN UP IS HARD.

WE ARE PUSHING FOR THE DISASTER RECOVERY CENTERS AND WE WILL KEEP WORKING TOGETHER AND LET ME KNOW IF THERE IS ANYTHING THAT IS MISSING FROM OEM OR MY TEAM.

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ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE THE MOTION.

WHO MADE THE MOTION? COMMISSIONER CAGLE? COMMISSIONER ELLIS, AND THEN COMMISSIONER CAGLE MADE THE

SECOND. >> THE WORDS -- THE WORDING IS WHAT COMMISSIONER CAGLE SPOKE.

>> LINA HIDALGO: THAT'S THE ONE.

ALL IN FAVOR? >> I.

>> I. >> I.

>> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: CAGLE, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR SECONDING MY MOTION. I WILL FRAME IT AND PUT IT UP ON THE WHAT YOU WILL. PUT IT UP ON THE WALL.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: AND DELIVER IT IN PERSON?

>> LINA HIDALGO: I WANT TO FRAME THAT ONE.

NEXT IS 210, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY.

>> TOM RAMSEY: LET ME GO THROUGH SOME DATA AND NOT TO BORE WITH YOU A BUNCH OF NUMBERS AND I WILL TRY NOT TO BE AN ENGINEER. AFTER OUR PREVIOUS MEETING, I WANT TO SEE WHAT THE DATA WAS, THE CRIME DATA WAS IN PRE SINK -- PRECINCT 3. THIS IS FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DATA. MURDERS ARE UP 41% IN PRECINCT 3. RAPES ARE UP OVER 100%.

DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IS UP OVER 100%.

WE HAVE KNOWN THIS IS TRUE AND I MET WITH MAYOR TURNER.

HE ACKNOWLEDGES THIS IS ONE OF HIS TOP PRIORITIES.

HE RECOGNIZED THE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

I HAVE BEEN IN SEVERAL TOWN HALLS.

I HAVE BEEN IN SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD DISCUSSIONS.

IT IS OUT THERE. I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO BRING AVAILABLE DATA TO THE TABLE AS FAR AS WHAT ARE THE NUMBERS IN PRECINCT THREE AND IN RESPONSE TO THE SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS, THE UNDERLING CONCERNS, WHAT I THINK ABOUT QUH -- WHEN I SEE NUMBERS LIKE THAT, THAT'S AN AVERAGE NUMBER.

WHAT ABOUT A SINGLE MOM WITH TWO BABIES IN SHARPS TOWN? SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE THINKING ABOUT THAT PERSON.

SOMEBODY NEEDS TO BE ADVOCATING FOR THAT PERSON.

YOU TALK ABOUT THE UNDER SERVED NEIGHBORHOODS, THE UNDER SERVED NEIGHBORHOODS ARE THE MOST IMPACTED BY CRIME.

IN RESPONSE TO THAT, AND IN RESPONSE TO DO THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO CREATE A TASK FORCE TO EXAMINE THE INFLUENCES IMPACTING COMMUNITY SAFETY AND SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS AND EXAMINE THE RISING CRIME IN THE COMMUNITIES AND ENGAGE IN RELEVANT DISCUSSIONS ON REEL VENT TASK FORCES IN PRE SINK 3 AND ALL OF HARRIS COUNTY FOCUSING ON JUSTICE, OCCURRENCE AND EMERGING BEST PRACTICES AND THE STWRAW TEE -- STRATEGIC GOAL OF THE NEGATIVE IMPACT OF CRIME ON THE SAFETY OF CITIZENS IN HARRIS COUNTY. I THINK IT IS TIME WE GIVE CRIME AND THE PROBLEM AS EQUAL TO THE PANDEMIC THE SENSE OF URGENCY. WE KNOW IT'S OUT THERE.

WE JUST NEED TO FOCUS ON IT. THAT'S MY DATA AND IN A FOCUSED MANNER TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER GARCIA?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: THANK YOU, JUDGE.

THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY FOR PUTTING THIS ITEM UP.

I WANT TO SHARE THAT THE JUDGE AND I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND THINGS WE CAN DO TO SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY. THE PANDEMIC HAS CREATED A PANDEMIC OF DO MESS -- DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

I CAN SEE THE 100% IN YOUR AREA.

I DO WANT TO GIVE THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PROFESSIONALS SOME RESPECT BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING ON THESE ITEMS ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS. I WAS WONDERING IF YOU CAN

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MOVE THIS TO THE COORDINATING JUSTICE COUNCIL WHERE WE HAVE THEM ALL COME TOGETHER. THE CHIEFS ARE THERE AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEYS ARE THERE AND JUDGES AND IT PROVIDES THEM THE RIGHT FRAMEWORK. AND INSTEAD OF CREATING A SEPARATE TASK FORCE TO WORK ON THE SAME DETAILS, I JUST DON'T WANT US TO STEP OVER EACH OTHER.

BUT I KNOW IN RELATION TO THE CONVERSATIONS THE JUDGE AND I HAVE HAD THAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A FEW THINGS AND I WOULD LIKE TO FOLD THIS IN WITH YOU AND THE EXISTING SYSTEM WE HAVE HAD AND WANTED TO SEE IF YOU WERE UH MEANABLE.

>> I DON'T WANT IT TO BE SOMETHING THEY GET TO AT THE END OF THE MEETING AND THEY GIVE A SENSE OF PRIORITY.

I WILL TAKE THE MODIFICATION. >> GOOD DEAL, THANK YOU.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER RAMSEY, I DON'T HAVE IT.

IT MAY JUST BE A DELAY IN SENDING IT TO MY STAFF.

YOUR MIC IS OFF, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY.

>> TOM RAMSEY: INSTEAD OF TASK FORCE WE WILL MOVE THIS TO THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COORDINATING COUNCIL.

>> CAN'T FIND IT BECAUSE THIS WAS SEND OUT YESTERDAY.

>> LINA HIDALGO: I'LL JUST WAIT A MINUTE.

I WILL SAY I WONDER HOW THIS INTERSECTS WITH THE WORK JAD IS DOING. I AM A LITTLE BIT THROWN -- I TOOK SOME NOTES ON WHAT YOU SAID AND IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT IS A LOT OF WHAT JAD IS CURRENTLY CARRYING OUT.

HOW DO YOU CONSIDER MARRYING THE EFFORTS BETWEEN JAD --

>> I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF INTEREST IN JAD'S PART IN DEALING WITH THE SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS.

, HONESTLY. I THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER GARCIA WAS REFERRING TO THERE MAY BE A LITTLE MORE FOCUS WITH THAT PARTICULAR GROUP THAN THERE WOULD BE WITH JAD.

THAT'S PRIMARILY LAW ENFORCEMENT FOLKS.

I WOULD THINK THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE FOR IT.

JAD IS FOCUSED ON A LOT OF THINGS, BUT JAD IS NOT ONE OF

THEM. >> JIM, ARE YOU ON? JIM BETKEY? WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS? FIRST THERE ARE VERY CONCERNING TRENDS.

AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE SOME THAT IS UP AND SOME THAT IS DOWN. A LOT IS OUT OF CONTROL.

WE ARE DOING A LOT ON IT. I HAD MY STAFF PULL THE INVESTMENTS MADE ON JUSTICE RELATED, PARTICULARLY ENTITIES AND THE PURPOSES ARE REDUCTION OF CRIME OR SUPPORT OF CRIME VICTIMS. THERE HAS BEEN A 4.7 ANNUAL BUDGET INCREASE WHEN CRIME BUDGET IS A LIST OF GOALS OR SUPPORT OF CRIME VICTIMS. THERE'S BEEN A LOT DONE.

I KNOW COMMENTS MADE ON THE DOMESTIC VIOLENCE SIDE.

COMMISSIONER GAR SEE -- GARCIA HAS SEVERAL INITIATIVES HE IS DRAWING UP. I AM CURIOUS HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THIS IS HEADED IN A GOOD DIRECTION AND NOT A DISJOINTED

DIRECTION. >> JUDGE AND MEMBERS OF THE COURT, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY, I MAY NOT HAVE DONE --

>> LINA HIDALGO: I DIDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM.

I AM JUST WONDERING. >> WE ACTUALLY ARE DOING SIGNIFICANT WORK IN THE AREA OF VICTIMS. WE ARE REAL QUICK TO PUBLISHING A REPORT IN HARRIS COUNTY WHICH I HAVEN'T SHARED WITH THE MEMBERS OF COURT, ALTHOUGH IT IS VERY, VERY CLOSE TO BEING FINISHED.

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I DO THINK WHAT COMMISSIONER GARCIA SAID, WORKING THIS THROUGH THE COORDINATED JUSTICE COUNCIL MAKES SENSE SINCE THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND THE SHERIFF AND MEMBERS OF THE COURT AND SURVIVORS OF CRIME AND A MULTITUDE OF OTHERS ARE ON THAT COMMITTEE. I THINK IT WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT VEHICLE. IN FACT, ONE OF THE AGENDA ITEMS FOR THURSDAY IS ESTABLISHING -- WEALTH, THE VIC TIG -- VICTIM COMMITTEE -- IF I HAVE GIVEN THE PER -- PERCEPTION THAT MY DEPARTMENT IS NOT INTERESTED IN THE VICTIMS THAT'S IN THIS IMPRESSION.

IT IS SOMETHING VERY CLOSE TO ME HAVING BEEN A FORMER PROSECUTOR. WE HAVE A MULTITUDE OF STUDIES.

THE COURTS HAVE APPROVED US AND WE HAVE VICTIM OF CRIME SPECIALISTS AND WHO HAS BEEN MEETING WITH THE VICTIMS' ORGANIZATIONS TO ACTUALLY PREPARE THIS REPORT.

THOUGH -- THEY HAVE MET ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS.

MY STAFF IS WORKING WITH YOUR OFFICE AND WORK THIS THROUGH THE COORDINATING COUNCIL. WE CAN MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT DUPLICATING EFFORTS AND USING OUR ENERGY TO ADVANCE THE BALL FORWARD. SO THE EYE -- THE ITEM IS BEING REFERRED TO THE CJCC TO JAD TO FIGURE OUT WHERE -- WHAT IS NOT BEING RUN DOWN AND ACT ACCORDINGLY?

>> THERE IS A MEETING OF THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE COORDINATION COUNCIL COMING UP. I WILL BE A PART OF THAT.

I WILL TAKE THE ADVICE OF COMMISSIONER GARCIA AND THAT IS THE BEST GROUP AND WE CAN TRY AND PREVENT FUTURE ISSUES. THAT MEETING IS COMING UP.

LET ME START WITH THAT AND I WILL REPORT BACK TO COURT WHAT

I FIND WHEN WE GO THERE. >> LINA HIDALGO: IS THERE A MOTION AND COMMISSIONER GARCIA, WOULD YOU REPEAT

YOURS? >> ADRIAN GARCIA: COMMISSIONER RAMSEY DID A MOTION. INSTEAD OF -- HIS MOTION WAS TO CREATE A TASK FORCE. MY SUGGESTION OR HE CAN TAKE IT AS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT WAS TO CREATE A TASK FORCE TO REFER THIS TO COORDINATING CRIMINAL JUSTICE COUNCIL.

>> LINA HIDALGO: IT MAKES SENSE TO ME.

THANKS FOR LETTING ME WALK THROUGH IT.

THAT ALL ADDS UP. GREAT.

DO WE NEED A MOTION, FOLKS OR JUST REFER IT? COMMISSIONER RAMSEY WILL BRING IT UP ON THURSDAY?

>> TOM RAMSEY: LET ME TAKE IT TO THE COURT.

I WILL BE BACK THE NEXT MEETING TO REPORT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: SO NO ACTION.

>> THANK YOU, JUDGE. >> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU FOR WALKING ME THROUGH THAT. I APPRECIATE IT.

COMMISSIONER RAMSEY, YOU HAVE AN ITEM ON THE CITY OF

HOUSTON'S DRAINAGE CRITERIA. >> TOM RAMSEY: THIS IS JUST A HEADS UP. THE CITY OF HOUSTON AND HARRIS COUNTY WERE GOING DOWN WE THOUGHT THE SAME ROAD ON DRAINAGE CRITERIA AND OTHER THINGS.

IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS WE FOUND THERE MAY BE SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN OUR APPROACH TO THE COUNTY.

TO MAKE THIS CLEAR REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ARE OVER. THAT WAS IGNORED.

THE CRITERIA WAS CREATING SMALL DETENTION PONDS.

IF YOU HAVE SEEN THEM SCATTERED AROUND TOWN, THEY

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DON'T WORK. IN FACT, THEY CREATE MORE PROBLEMS THAN THEY'RE WORTH. WHAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE AND SET UP A RESILIENCE FEE OR AS JOHN BLOUNT SAID IT WILL BE A MORE EFFECTIVE WAY TO DO IT. I WILL TELL NEW RECENT WEEKS WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH FOLKS AT THE CITY WE THINK WE CAN BRING ALTERNATIVE STRICKSES AND IT WILL BE VAULT -- IT WILL BE EVALUATED.

THE REAL CONCERN IS THE REDEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY OF HOUSTON THERE WAS DISCUSSION -- IF JULIO WANTED TO SPABD -- EXPAND ORB -- OR ADD TO HIS BUILDING AND HE GOES DOWNTOWN TO GET A PERMIT, THEY WOULD REQUIRE HIM TO TREAT HIS CURRENT PLOT OF LAND AS IF IT WERE A GREENFIELD WHICH MEANS HE HAS TO MITIGATE THE ENTIRE SIZE OF THE LOT.

WHAT WE DO IN THE UNINCORPORATED AREA IS YOU GET PAID FOR THE PAVED AREA. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR THAT. WHAT I HAVE DONE IN MY MOTION IS TO DIRECT THE COUNTY ENGINEER'S OFFICE TO, WOULD WITH THE CITY OF HOUSTON TO JOINTLY DEVELOP A PROGRAM TO ADDRESS REMFL EBBET -- DEVELOPMENT ON SMALL TRACKS OF LAND. THEY SHOULD CONSIDER A RESILIENT SPEED AND STRUCTURE ALTERNATIVE.

IT SHOULD BE VETTED WITH OUR COMMUNITY FLOOD RESILIENCE TASK FORCE WE JUST GOT THROUGH NAMING.

I THINK WE'RE CLOSED TO GETTING THIS RESOLVED.

I WOULD LIKE MR. BLOUNT TO TAKE THE LEAD ON THIS.

I THINK THE MAYOR EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN BEING SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. IF WE'RE NOT ON THE SAME PAGE. IF THE UNINCORPORATED AREA IS DOING SOMETHING, THEN THE CORP OPERATED AREA ARE DOING THEM, GUESS WHERE THEY WILL DO THEM.

THIS WON'T BE WHERE IT IS MORE DIFFICULT AND EXPENSIVE AND NOT MAKE SENSE. I THINK THAT WILL HELP THE INCORPORATED AREA. I THINK THERE IS A SOLUTION IN PLAY AND JUST WANT TO BE SURE THE COURT WAS AWARE OF THAT MY MOTION IS TO DIRECT COUNTY ENGINEER TO WORK WITH THE CITY IN RESO. -- IN RESOLVING THAT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER GARCIA.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: JUDGE, IF I MAY ASK COMMISSIONER RAMSEY A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. COMMISSIONER RAMSEY, WE DON'T HAVE ORDINANCE MAKING POWER. SO HOW DO YOU ENVISION THIS REDEVELOPMENT FEE IN COMING TO LIFE.

>> WE CURRENTLY COLLECT A FEE IN LIEU OF DETENTION CURRENTLY. WE DO HAVE DETENTION --

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: SO IT IS JUST CONVERTING THAT COUNTY PROCESS INTO A NEW FEE OR WOULD IT BE COLLECTING MORE?

>> WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING.

OVER TIME WHEN WE GET ENOUGH MONEY IN THE ACT WE CREATE A DETENTION FACILITY. IT IS REGIONAL.

THE CITY IS NOT USED TO DOING THAT.

WHAT MR. BLOUNT WILL DO IS CREATE SOMETHING SIMILAR TO WHAT THE COUNTY IS DOING. THIS OTHER ISSUE RELATED TO GREEN FIELDS IT WOULD NOT BE GOOD FOR THE CITY OF HOUSTON.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: SO WE HAVE SUGGESTS -- SUGGESTING TO THE CITY TO CREATE ANOTHER INFRASTRUCTURE.

>> TOM RAMSEY: YES. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: OH.

I WAS AN ADVOCATE FOR THE DRAINAGE FEE, BUT -- THOSE WERE IN GOOD ECONOMIC TIMES. I'M NOT SURE HOW CREATING ANOTHER TAX WOULD WORK RIGHT NOW.

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FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD, YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING TO THE CITY FOR QUITE SOME TIME, I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN A PROPOSAL OR A CONVERSATION IN COMMISSIONER'S COURT, BUT I WOULD BE LEERY OF TELLING CITIZENS TO -- THAT WE ARE

COLLECTING ANOTHER TAX. >> TOM RAMSEY: IF YOU DON'T COLLECT ANOTHER TAX WHAT YOU TELL THEM IS THEY HAVE TO MITIGATE FOR THE WHOLE LOT. TELL THE TIRE SHOP HE HAS TO MITT GOIT -- MITIGATE FOR THE ENTIRE AREA THAT HE MAY NOT CHOOSE REDEVELOPMENT SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD

OPTION. >> COMMISSIONERS AND COURT MEMBERS, JOHN BLOUT. COMMISSIONER -- BLOUNT,.

COMMISSIONER IT IS NOT A NEW FEE.

IT ALLOWS HOMEOWNERS OF PAYING A FEE FOR PUTTING A LOCATION ON THE BROPT. LIKE A DETENTION POND FOR A HOUSE IS INEFFECTIVE, BUT VERY EXPENSIVE.

IF YOU LIVED ON AN 85 SQUARE FOOT LOT YOUR COST WILL BE 20,000, 30,000 BECAUSE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY OF HOUSTON PUTTING IN TWO MANHOLES AND BORING UNDER THE ROAD. WE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT THE DEVELOP -- DEVELOPMENT IMPACT, BUT WE DON'T WANT A SYSTEM THAT WON'T ALLOW PEOPLE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS TO THEIR PROPERTY. WE CALL IT A RESILIENCE FEE, BUT IT IS A FEE IN LOU OF. THEY CAN PUT IT IN IF THEY WANT TO, BUT IT IS COST PROHIBITIVE.

OF COURSE THIS WILL COME BACK AFTER WE PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND VETTED IT THROUGH THE COMMUNITY FLOOD RESILIENCE TASK FORCE AND THEN BRING IT BACK FOR CONSIDERATION.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: I HEAR YOU I JUST DON'T THINK IT IS OUR PLACE TO SUGGEST TO THE MAYOR WHAT THEY OUGHT TO BE SUGGESTING TO THE TAXPAYERS. RIGHT NOW -- I DON'T WANT TAXPAYERS TO FEEL LIKE THEY ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION OF ANOTHER TAX EVEN THOUGH IT IS IN LIEU OF THE TENSION OR DETENTION ON THE PROPERTY. RIGHT NOW PEOPLE ARE BARELY -- THEY ARE NOT EVEN GETTING THEIR HEAD ABOVE WATER WITH THIS PANDEMIC. I AM NOT SURE IF THE TIME IS

RIGHT FOR THIS CONVERSATION. >> TOM RAMSEY: IF WE SIMPLY IGNORE IT, THEN THE CITY WILL DO IT ONE WAY WHICH WILL COST THE CITIZENS OF HOUSTON A LOT OF MONEY.

AND THE COUNTY BILL -- WILL BE DOING A DIFFERENT WAY.

HAVING DONE ENGINEERING FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, TO HAVE THE COUNTY DOING IT ONE WAY AND THE CITY THE OTHER X AND TO END THE DAY IT COSTS THE RESIDENTS A LOT OF MONEY I DON'T THINK THAT WORKS OUT. IF WE ALL GET IN THE ROOM AND SAY, YEAH, THIS HAS MERIT. IF THEY GET TOGETHER AND SAY WE CAN DO IT THIS WAY, THAT'S WHAT THEY CAN DO, BUT AT LEAST

WE ARE HAVING A CONVERSATION. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER

ELLIS -- >> ADRIAN GARCIA: I AM JUST VERY, VERY LEER PEA -- LEER LEERY WE WOULD HAVE A CON VEER SOGS ABOUT A TOCKS.

CONVERSATION ABOUT A TAX. I DON'T THINK OUR CITIZENS ARE ANXIOUS TO HEAR A TAX CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER ELLIS AND THEN COMMISSIONER

CAGLE. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: THAT'S ALL

RIGHT, JUDGE, I PASS. >> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER

CAGLE. >> R. JACK CAGLE: WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO MY COLLEAGUE IN PRECINCT 2.

THE TAX IS THERE. IF YOU ARE DOING A REMODEL YOU WILL HAVE TO PAY THE TAX OF PUTTING IN A SPECIFIC TYPE OF RETENTION. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE ESPECIALLY IN THE UNDERDEVELOPED UNINCORPORATED

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HARRIS COUNTY. IF YOU ARE PUTTING IN A BUSINESS, YOU CAN PAY A WHOLE LOT OF MONEY IT TAKES TO PUT A VERY EXPENSIVE DETENTION POND ON YOUR PROPERTY BUT THAT SMALL AMOUNT OF IMPACT BECAUSE OF THE SIZE.

OR YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE PROGRAM WHERE YOUR DOLLARS ARE GOING INTO A DRAINAGE SYSTEM. THE DOLLARS GETS A BIGGER DRAIN BECAUSE YOU ARE TIEING INTO A MASTER PLAN SYSTEM.

BY DOING THE OPTION OR GIVING THE CHOICE OF DOING IT ALL ON THEIR OWN AT A GREATER EXPENSE OR NOT DOING IT AT ALL, OR TO PARTICIPATE IN A BUSINESS -- BIGGER SYSTEM.

WE ARE NOT FORCING THEM IN A DIRECTION.

WE GIVE THEM ANOTHER OPTION. WHEN I FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE PIONEER PROGRAM. I RAISED MY EYEBROWS ON IT, BUT IT HAS BEEN VERY, VERY SUCCESSFUL.

IT GIVES BUSINESSES, ESPECIALLY SMALLER BUSINESSES, AN OPTION. PARTICIPATE IN THE MASTER PLAN SYSTEM THAT BENEFITS EVERYBODY.

IT IS AN OPTION TO THE HOMEOWNER AND THE SMALL BUSINESS AND ALLOWS THEM TO TIE INTO A BIGGER, BETTER, MASTER PLAN SYSTEM THAT HELPS EVERYBODY.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER GARCIA.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: THANK YOU, JUDGE.

I WAS AN ADVOCATE FOR THE DRAINAGE FEE -- I WILL CALL IT THE RAINY DAY TAX. I JUST DON'T KNOW ANY PART OF THIS -- I DID HEAR MR. BLOUNT HAD TALKED TO MR. CASTELLO.

I QUISH WE WERE -- I WISH WE WERE BRIEFED ON THIS SO WE COULD HAVE SOME KIND OF AN UNDERSTANDING BESIDES WHAT I AM HEARING NOW. I KNOW THERE ARE OTHER DETAILS IN THE EQUATION THAT WE ARE NOT LOOKING AT.

I WILL HAVE MY ENGINEERS REVIEW IT AND GIVE ME FIGHT -- FEEDBACK. I AM RELUCTANT TO TAKE A VOTE ON THIS TODAY. ESPECIALLY SUGGESTING THE TAX TO OUR TAXPAYERS THAT ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING RIGHT NOW.

>> TOM RAMSEY: IT IS A MISREPRESENTATION TO SAY IT IS AN ADDITIONAL DRAINAGE FEE. IT IS NOT MR. BLOUNT THAT ME THAT RAISED MY HAND. TO THE SURPRISE OF EVERYONE THERE THERE WAS ISSUED GUIDELINES ON THE TENSION AND IT WAS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE COUNTY WAS DOING.

HE PUT A HOLD ON IT AND HE TOO SAW THE MERIT IN LET'S GET IN THE ROOM AND HAVE THE CONVERSATION THAT IT IS NOT DOING IT THE COUNTY WAY OR CITY WAY.

IT IS DOING IT IN A WAY. >> LINA HIDALGO: IT'S SOMETHING THAT IT IS THE BROADER IDEA AND MY CONCERN HAS NOT BEEN BROUGHT UP YET AND I AM ALWAYS NERVOUS ABOUT ANYTHING THAT SUBSIDIZES DEVELOPMENT THAT IS NOT SMART. I WOULD WANT TO DIG INTO IT AND MAKE SURE WE ARE NOT SUBSIDIZING GROWTH THAT IS NOT

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SMART. IF THIS IS SOMETHING JOHN CAN CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION AND WITH MORE TIME BRIEF US ALL.

I ALSO, YOU KNOW, DID NOT HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF BACKGROUND ON THIS. I'M NOT OPPOSED TO IT.

I AM WITH YOU. I WAS SURPRISED WE DIDN'T HAVE REDEVELOPMENT PARAMETERS AND EXPRESSED THAT IN THE PAST.

I SEE COMMISSIONER GARCIA'S POINT THAT THIS IS EARLY ON HOW FLUSHED OUT IT WAS BEFORE IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE REST OF THE COURT. COMMISSIONER ELLIS?

>> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE, I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT EITHER AND COMMISSIONER RAMSEY IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA -- I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANYTHING THAT KEEPS YOU OR ANY OF US OR MR. BLOUT FROM TALKING TO THE CITY.

I KNOW THE COUNTY ADOPTED IT AND THEN THE CITY CAME AROUND I ASSUME OVER THE PERRY HOMES PROJECT.

THAT WAS PART OF THE DRAW TO BRING THEM IN.

I JUST DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT IT.

I KNOW I HEARD THE MAYOR IS SUPPORTING IT AND I WANT TO BE SUPPORTIVE. WHEN YOU ARE IN THERE, ASK ABOUT THE MONEY FOR THE BIKE LANES AND I WILL PUT MY MONEY UP AS WELL. I'D LIKE TO THROW THAT ON THE TABLE. I WANT TO SEE IT.

I DON'T WANT TO IN ANYWAY, LIKE THE JUDGE SAYS, LOOK LIKE I AM AGREEING TO SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.

>> THE INTENT WAS TO TRY TO GET FOLKS ON THE SAME PAGE.

IF WE WANT TO BE ON TWO PAGES AND CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION, THAT'S FINE. I WILL JUST TELL YOU IF IT IS GOING DOWN THE ROAD IT IS GOING ON, REDEVELOPMENT WITH NO -- FOR NO GOOD REASON WILL BE CHALLENGED.

IT WON'T BE DRAINING. AND THAT'S WHAT I AM BRINGING IT THE TABLE. I DIDN'T CREATE THE SCHEDULE.

THE SCHEDULE CREATED ITSELF. THE CITY OF HOUSTON PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE. THEY ARE HAVING THEIR CONVERSATIONS AND WE WILL END UP DOING WHAT THEY END UP DOING. I KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT WILL BE. I AM HEADING OFL -- I AM HEADING OFF A PROBLEM. IF WE WANT TO KILL IT AND WE WANT TO JUST STOP IT THIS IS ONE WAY.

HOPEFULLY IT WON'T. I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET PEOPLE IN THE SAME PLACE. IN UNINCORPORATED HARRIS COUNTY WE'RE FINE. I'M IDENTIFYING THE ISSUE AND THE MAYOR HAS BEEN ENCOURAGING AND MR. CASTELLO HAS BEEN ENCOURAGING. IF YOU DON'T WANT US TO TALK

TO THEM, THAT'S FINE. >> RODNEY ELLIS: I AM NOT SAYING DON'T TALK. YOU ALL CAN STILL DO THAT IN THE ABSENCE OF US VOTING ON THIS ITEM, I WOULD HOPE.

I MEAN, AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

>> TOM RAMSEY: WELL THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS MOTION IS.

THE COUNTY TO WORK WITH THE CITY OF HOUSTON TO DISCUSS A PROGRAM. THAT'S TALKING TO THEM.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I AM JUST SAYING IN THE ABSENCE OF VOTING ON THIS ITEM, I THINK YOU ALL OUGHT TO TALK.

I DON'T WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE IN ANYWAY I AM SUPPORTING SOMETHING THAT MAY LEAD TO A FEE SOME WOULD CALL A TAX AS A RESULT OF THE MOTION. YOU SHOULD KEEP TALKING.

I DO IT ON A HOST OF TOPICS EVEN WITHOUT COMMISSIONER'S

COURT BLESSINGS. >> LINA HIDALGO: I AGREE.

JOHN, IF YOU CAN KEEP EXPLORING THAT AND JUST BRING SOMETHING MORE FLUSHED OUT. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO CONTINUING THE CONVERSATION. I AM WITH MR. -- COMMISSIONER GARCIA AND NOT READY TO VOTE ON IT TODAY.

I AM GLAD THE CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING.

IF YOU COULD FLUSH IT OUT A LITTLE MORE.

>> TOM RAMSEY: I ALWAYS SAY IT IS BETTER FOR US TO BE IN THE LIGHT RATHER THAN BEING IN THE DARK.

IT IS ABOUT TRYING TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE INTO THE LIGHT AND OUT OF THE DARK. WE'LL DECIDE LATER ON WHAT IF

ANYTHING HAPPENS. >> LINA HIDALGO: I THINK IT IS A IMPORTANT CONVERSATION, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY.

THANK YOU. IF THERE IS ANYTHING I CAN DO

WITH THE MAYOR, LET ME KNOW. >> TOM RAMSEY: HE WAS

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SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT I PUT OUT HERE, JUST SO YOU'LL KNOW.

>> LINA HIDALGO: GREAT. SHOULD WE DO A NO ACTION ON

THIS ONE? >> TOM RAMSEY: LOOKS LIKE IT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: OKAY. >> THANK YOU, JUDGE.

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER RAMSEY, ITEM 212 IS U.S. ARMY

CORPS OF ENGINEERS. >> TOM RAMSEY: IN THE INTEREST OF MORE LIGHT AND LESS DARK COMMISSIONER CAGLE AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH COLONEL BELL.

A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF LAND IN PRE SINK 3 IS IN ADDIX AND BARKER. I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.

HE OWNS ADDICKS AND BARKER. OUR INTEREST IS TO TRY TO CREATE RETENTION IN BOTH TO TRY TO HELP MITIGATE A LOT OF THE FLOODING HAPPENING IN PRE SINK THREE.

WHAT THE COUNTY MAINTAINS IS GREAT AND WHAT THE CORP MAINTAINS IS HORRIBLE. HE IS GOING TO WORK ON THAT.

BECAUSE HE COULD NOT FIGURE THAT OUT 1,203 HOMES ARE FLOODING BECAUSE OF UP STREAM.

ALL FOUR OF THOSE HAVE ISSUES.

THE COLONEL HAS AND IS AND WILL BE LOOKING AT THOSE INTERESTS. WHEN I MET WITH THE SUPER NEIGHBORHOOD LAST NIGHT AND I COMMUNICATED TO THEM SOME OF THESE DETAILS, YOU KNOW, THEY NEEDED A LITTLE GOOD NEWS.

NO ONE REPORTS BACK THAT WE ARE DOING ANYTHING.

THIS MITIGATES DRAINAGE THAT GOES INTO BUFFALO BAYOU THAT FLOODS A-LEAGUE, MEMORIAL AND SPRING BRANCH, NEARLY EVERYTHING ON THE WEST SIDE. THE COLONEL -- AND I AM ENCOURAGED THAT HE IS COMING BACK WITH SPECIFICS RELATED TO WHAT WE CAN DO TO HELP FURTHER ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE.

WHEN YOU GO TO THE HI OF HOUSTON CIP OR BUFFALO BAYOU MEETING, ALL THEY ARE TOLD IS NOTHING IS GONNA HAPPEN ANY ANYTIME SOON. THAT CAN HAPPEN TOMORROW.

THEY CAN DIG OUT A LOT OF THE AREA.

AND IT WOULD MEAN A LOT OF HOMES DON'T FLOOD.

TRY AND ADDRESS THINGS IMMEDIATELY IS SOMETHING WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THEM POSTED AND WHAT THE CORM MAY BE ABLE

TO DO. >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE?

>> LINA HIDALGO: COMMISSIONER ELLIS.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: COMMISSIONER RAMSEY, THANK YOU.

I HEARD ABOUT YOUR MEETING, AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, THE MEETING BOTH OF YOU HAD, I AM GONNA -- IF THEY WILL DO AN IN-PERSON MEETING I WILL GO DOWN AND MEET WITH THEM.

THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. >> THE OTHER QUICK THING TO POINT OUT, JUDGE IS THE STUDY ON THE TUNNEL, I THINK IT IS DUE OUT IN ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO.

THE CORP IS PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT.

THAT STRATEGY AND THAT OUT OF THE BOX THINKING IF YOU WILL.

THAT IS A GOOD OPTION THAT WE NEED TO VET FULLY GOING FORWARD. THAT'S MY BRIEF UPDATE ON THE

CORP. >> LINA HIDALGO: THAT'S GOOD NEWS. I HEARD -- I KNOW SOME MENTIONED THAT MONTGOMERY COUNTY EARLIER.

I WILL CALL YOU ABOUT THAT, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY.

>> JUDGE IS THERE ANY ACTION ON THIS ITEM?

>> TOM RAMSEY: NO. >> THANK YOU.

>> LINA HIDALGO: THE NEXT IS ITEM 221 WHICH IS PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTOR AND IT WILL GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

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AND THEN COATS WHICH GOES TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

229 WHICH IS DISTRICT COURTS APPROVAL OF FELONY INDIGENT DEFENSE PURSUANT TO ARTICLE 2 SWRIKS .04.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE IT TO EXECUTIVE

SESSION. >> LINA HIDALGO: OKAY.

ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT, JAY? >> THAT'S FINE, COMMISSIONERS. THAT'S FINE, JUDGE.

WE CAN DISCUSS IT THERE. >> LINA HIDALGO: THAT'S 229.

AND THEN 230 -- 237 IS AN AWARD TO ENVIRONMENTAL SOUTHWEST FOR MOWING, IRRIGATION ET CETERA.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I WILL MOVE IT.

I GUESS SOMEBODY WILL WANT TO MOVE AGAINST IT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: MAYBE IT WAS AN OVER SIGHT.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: SECOND. >> LINA HIDALGO: ALL IN FAVOR,

237? >> I.

>> I. >> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED --

>> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY HAS A

PAPER OUT. >> TOM RAMSEY: I WAS GRABBING SOMETHING. MY ONLY QUESTION ON THIS ITEM. I PULLED IT WAS THIS FIRM BASED IN WACO? DO WE REALLY HAVE TO GO TO WACO TO GET LANDSCAPE SERVICE WHEN'S THERE ARE PEOPLE IN HARRIS COUNTY THAT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT NEED WORK.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO GO TO WACO TO GET LANDSCAPE SERVICES WHEN I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS IN HARRIS COUNTY THAT

NEED THIS WORK. >> I CAN ADDRESS THE PROCUREMENT PART, COMMISSIONER.

THIS WAS DONE AS A NORMAL BID PROCESS.

THE FACT IS I STILL CANNOT GIVE LOCAL PREFERENCE TO A LOCAL VENDOR FOR SERVICES WHEN A PERSON FROM WACO BID ON THE PROJECT. THIS COMPANY HAS BEEN BIDDING ON PROJECTS FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS.

AT THIS POINT, IT IS MORE THAN LANDSCAPING.

IT IS ACTUALLY TURF ESTABLISHMENT AND VEGETATION.

THERE SAW LOT OF GROUP. THERE ARE MAYBE ONLY FIVE OR SIX VENDORS THAT BUY ON -- BID ON THIS PROJECT.

I HAVE NO WAY OF BYPASSING A VENDOR OUT OF THE HOUSTON AREA WHEN IT COMES TO THE NORMAL BIDDING PROCESS FOR SERVICES WE PUT IN A DETAIL SPECIFICATION.

THIS IS NOT LIKE A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE WHERE I CAN PUT A PRICE TO GIVE THEM SCORING FOR THAT.

FROM MY STANDPOINT, I CAN'T DO THAT, COMMISSIONER.

I APOLOGIZE. I KNOW WE HAVE LEGISLATION THAT WE PRESENTED TO IGA. I DON'T KNOW IF IT HAS BEEN PICKED UP BY THE LEGISLATION YET.

WE ARE WORKING TO TRY TO CHANGE THAT REQUIREMENT.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE IF I MIGHT, I DIDN'T ASK -- I WANT TO GO BACK IF WE CAN DO IT PRIVATELY.

RAMSEY, YOU CAN PROBABLY HELP.

EVEN IF WE GET SOMEBODY TO CARRY THE BILL, IT IS LIKE THE HOUSTON FIRST ISSUE. YOU CAN GET A POINT OR TWO, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY WILL LET US DRIVE UP THE PRICE MUCH TO GET SOMEBODY WITH AN ADDRESS IN OUR COUNTY.

I CAN'T REMEMBER WHERE THEY FOUND IT.

WE CAN ASK ON THE LEGISLATIVE SIDE.

>> LINA HIDALGO: ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THIS ITEM,

COMMISSIONER RAMSEY? >> TOM RAMSEY: THAT'S IT.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I MOVE IT. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: SECOND.

>> LINA HIDALGO: ALL IN FAVOR?

>> I. >> I.

>> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED? >> NO.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE, I VOTE NO.

>> LINA HIDALGO: I WILL VOTE IN FAVOR.

THE MOTION CARRIES 3-2. THAT LEAVES US WITH EXECUTIVE SESSION ITEMS. IT IS ITEM 10 ON THE COUNTY BUILDINGS HEALTH PRECAUTIONS. WE WANT TO GO BACK TO CONSULT WITH OUR ATTORNEY. I KNOW 221 ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTOR, A PERSONNEL MATTER.

228, THE COATS LAWSUIT. WE WANTED TO DISCUSS WITH OUR ATTORNEY. AND 229 INDO JEPT -- INDIGENT DEFENSE WE WANT TO DISCUSS WITH OUR ATTORNEY.

BEFORE WE HEAD TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON THE PREVIOUS ITEM, COMMISSIONER RAMSEY'S ITEM, COMMISSIONER GARCIA'S AMENDMENT THAT THE -- THE SENSE OF SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS, SHOULD THAT BE BROUGHT TO THE CJCC.

I HAVE SEEN THE AGENDA AND THE AGENDA IS PRETTY FULL.

WE CAN MAKE DASH -- WE CAN TRY AND SPEED THINGS UP AND I CAN MAKE A COMMITMENT TO SPEED THINGS UP.

I JUST WANT TO MAC -- MAKE SURE BEFORE WE ADJOURN WE HAVE

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FEEDBACK FROM THE CAO WITH L WE CAN BRING THE ITEM TO THIS CJCC. I THINK ONE IS A BROAD SORT OF COVID ITEM. WE ALL RECOGNIZE THAT THE CRIME INCREASE IS COVID-RELATED.

THAT WOK A THOUGHT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO BLIND SIDE COMMISSIONER RAMSEY OR GAR TIA.

RAMSEY OR GARCIA. >> YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT ALLOWS YOU TO BRING IN ITEMS RELATED TO THAT.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DISCUSS IN EXECUTIVE SESSION

AND BRING IT BACK. >> LINA HIDALGO: SO.

YOU THINK WE CAN DISCUSS THE SAFE NEIGHBORHOOD ITEMS IN

THIS THURSDAY'S CJCC? >> I APOLOGIZE.

NO, I DON'T -- I TOOK A QUICK LOOK AT THE AGENDA, AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO IT FOR THIS MEETING, BUT WE CERTAINLY CAN FOR THE FOLLOWING MEETING.

>> TOM RAMSEY: THAT'S AN INTERESTING ANALYSIS BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT THIS WEEK AND NOTHING RELATED TO CRIME, FITS THAT CATEGORY, I THINK WE ARE SEEING THE POINT. IT IS NOT A FOCUS AND IT IS NOT AN ISSUE AND NO ONE WILL TALK ABOUT IT.

MAYBE EVENTUALLY WE CAN GET IT ON THE AGENDA AND TALK ABOUT IT. I THINK IT IS ENOUGH OF AN ISSUE AND WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT SOMEPLACE AND START

DEALING WITH IT. >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST SINCE WE DO HAVE A THREE-WEEK BREAK BEFORE WE MEET AGAIN MAYBE THE CJCC CAN DO ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE WE HAVE ANOTHER COURT MEETING.

THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. I KNOW YOU ARE TRYING TO KEEP PEOPLE COMING SO WE DON'T GO OVER THE TIME FRAME THAT IS

ALLOTTED. >> LINA HIDALGO: YES THERE ARE BY LAWS THERE IS A STRUCTURE FOR THE SURVIVORS OF CRIME COMMITTEE. THERE IS RACIAL AND ETHNIC COMMITTEE. MENTAL HEALTH COMMITTEE.

BEHAVIORAL HEALTH AND A REPORT ON THE JAIL POPULATION AND FELONY BAIL AND O'DONNELL CONSENT DECREE.

AND I ASK A BROAD COVID ITEM BE INCLUDED.

DID IT NOT MAKE IT ON THERE? I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAY WE DISCUSSED THIS. WE HAVE INVESTED A LOT AND JAD HAS GOT SEVERAL PROJECTS GOING.

THERE IS ENDLESS WORK BEING DONE ON THESE ISSUES.

>> WE'LL CALL IT THE TASK FORCE OF TOM RAMSEY AND I WILL REPORT BACK AT THE NEXT COMMISSIONER'S COURT MEETING

ON WHAT I FOUND OUT. >> LINA HIDALGO: YOU DON'T THINK, JAY, THAT WE CAN PUT IT ON THERE?

>> WHEN I JUST READ THROUGH THE ITEMS AND UNDER THE WAY IT IS WRITTEN RIGHT NOW THERE IS NOT A BROAD ITEM.

I WILL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK.

>> LINA HIDALGO: LET'S GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I DON'T HAVE THE BROAD ITEM IN FRONT OF ME.

I'LL SEE IF I CAN THINK OF ANY OTHER IDEAS.

[Executive Session]

FOR NOW WE WILL GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION ON ITEMS 10

TO 21, 28 AND 229. >> RODNEY ELLIS: CAN WE TRAIK

A QUICK BREAK? >> LINA HIDALGO: SURE.

IT IS 6:02 SO LET'S MEE >> LINA HIDALGO: ALL RIGHT.

IT IS 7:07 AND WE ARE BACK IN SESSION.

[ Departments (Part 4 of 4)]

THE FIRST ITEM IS ITEM 10 WHICH IS THE COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH PRECAUTIONS INSIDE OF COUNTY BUILDINGS.

IS THERE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE ORDER REQUIRING SCREENINGS AND FACE COVERINGS IN THE COUNTY -OWNED BUILDINGS AND AUTHORIZING HARRIS COUNTY OFFICIALS EXPEM EMPLOYEES TO TAKE THE NECESSARY ACTIONS TO ACCOMPLISH THE PURPOSE OF THE ORDER? RECORD --

>> RODNEY ELLIS: SO MOVED. SO MOD -- SO MOVED, JUDGE.

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>> ADRIAN GARCIA: SECOND. >> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE?

>> LINA HIDALGO: GO AHEAD. >> R. JACK CAGLE: I OFFER A SUBSTITUTE MOTION THAT HARRIS COUNTY FOLLOW THE PROTOCOLS AND THE PROCEDURES OF THE TEXAS GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: DO WE VOTE ON THAT ONE AND THEN THE OTHER ONE? THERE WAS A MOTION ON THE

TABLE. >> R. JACK CAGLE: I OFFERED A SUBSTITUTE. IF I DON'T GET A SECOND IT GOES AWAY. IF I DO GET THE SECOND --

>> LINA HIDALGO: WELL I THINK WE ARE FOLLOWING THE PROTOCOLS AND THE PROCEDURES OF THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE.

I WOULD HAVE A HARD TIME. >> R. JACK CAGLE: IN TERMS OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE BUILDINGS.

>> LINA HIDALGO: I STILL THINK IT FALLS UNDER THE ADVICE OF

THE ATTORNEYS. >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUST TO AVOID ANY CONFLICT I WILL MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION.

WE WILL VOTE ON THE MOTION I MADE FIRST AND THEN IF HE WANTS TO MAKE HIS MOTION HE CAN DO IT.

>> LINA HIDALGO: WE HAVE A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ELLIS AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER GARCIA ON THE PROPOSED ORDER.

LET'S VOTE ON THE ORDER. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> I. LEAN --

>> LINA HIDALGO: ANY OPPOSED? >> R. JACK CAGLE: FOR CLARIFICATION WE ARE NOT VOTING ON MY SUBSTITUTE?

>> LINA HIDALGO: WE CAN IF THERE IS A SECOND.

>> TOM RAMSEY: I SECOND THE MOTION.

>> LINA HIDALGO: LET'S VOTE ON THE MOTION ON THE TABLE AND THEN WE'LL VOTE ON THAT ONE. WE HAVE AN ORDER ON THE TABLE BY COMMISSIONER ELLIS. AND A SECOND BY COMMISSIONER GARCIA. ALL IN FAVOR?

>> I. >> I.

>> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED? >> NO.

I -- >> NO.

>> LINA HIDALGO: I AM IN FAVOR SO THE MOTION ON THE ORDER CARRIES. COMMISSIONER ELLIS?

>> RODNEY ELLIS: COMMISSIONER -- CACTUS JACK, CAGLE'S MOTION, I WOULD REFER THAT TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT TO ADVISE US AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THE GOVERNOR'S ORDER. I THINK WE ARE.

I REFER IT TO THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT.

THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND?

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: SECOND. >> LINA HIDALGO: SO THERE IS A MOTION TO REFER THE QUESTION TO LEGAL, WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE COMPLYING WHICH WE HAVE THE ANSWER ALREADY.

I THOUGHT THAT'S WHY WE WENT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION IS TO GET THE ADVICE FROM THE ATTORNEYS.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: JUDGE, MY MOTION IS THAT THE RULES AND THE REGULATIONS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR BUILDINGS BE THE SAME AS WE HAVE OUT OF THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE FOR THE

STATE BUILDINGS. >> LINA HIDALGO: OKAY.

THAT'S A DIFFERENT THING. I THINK THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

COMMISSIONER CAGLE'S MOTION IS THAT WE HAVE -- WE ADOPT THE SAME MOIGHTS -- PROVISIONS IN COUNTY BUILDINGS AS THE STATE HAS ADOPTED IN THE STATE BUILDINGS.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: THAT'S CORRECT, JUDGE.

>> LINA HIDALGO: IS THERE A SECOND FOR THAT MOTION?

>> TOM RAMSEY: SECOND. >> LINA HIDALGO: ALL IN

FAVOR? >> NO.

>> I. >> LINA HIDALGO: ANY OPPOSED?

>> I. >> LINA HIDALGO: I AM OPPOSED. SO THE MOTION FAILS.

3-2. >> R. JACK CAGLE: THANK YOU,

JUDGE. >> LINA HIDALGO: THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. THE NEXT ITEM IS 221.

THAT'S THE ITEM ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH DIRECTOR.

LET'S START BY TAKING A STRAW VOTE FOR PRELIMINARY

PREFERENCE. >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE IF I MIGHT I THINK THEY WERE BOTH VERY TALENTED.

IF THERE IS SOMEWAY THEY COULD BOTH WORK FOR THIS COUNTY, I THINK THIS COUNTY WOULD BENEFIT FROM IF -- FROM IT.

I HOPE IF ONE PERSON OPTS TO NOT COME, THAT WE WILL STILL BE IN A POSITION TO TALK TO THE OTHER ONE.

WITH THAT I MOVE THAT WE MAKE AN OFFER TO BOBBIE ROBINSON.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: JUDGE? >> LINA HIDALGO: YES.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: I SECOND THAT, BUT JUST TO ADD --

>> LINA HIDALGO: AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS JUST TO INDICATE THE PREFERENCE FOR BARBIE ROBINSON AND THEN WE WILL MAKE A MOTION ON THE OFFER.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: AND JUDGE I JUST WANTED TO ADD, I SECOND THE MOTION. BETTER YET, I SHOULD SAY THAT I'M PROUD OF HARRIS COUNTY. AND JUDGE, IN PARTICULAR, YOU. THAT WE SHOULD BE IN SUCH A PLACE WHERE WE ARE REALLY SPLITTING HAIRS.

WE HAVE PHENOMENAL APPLICANTS AND CANDIDATES TO CHOOSE FROM. IT IS JUST DIFFICULT BECAUSE OF THE HIGH QUALITY OF INDIVIDUALS THEY ARE.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THEM BOTH LAND HERE IN HARRIS COUNTY.

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BUT MY PREFERENCE FOR SUPPORTING COMMISSIONER ELLIS' ITEM IS JUST THAT -- I GUESS IT IS MY LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND, MY TYPE-A PERSONALITY OF CHARGING AND WORKING TO GET THINGS DONE AND ENGAGING THE COMMUNITY AND CHALLENGES, THAT'S THE IMPRESSION -- THAT'S THE IMPRESSION I GOT FROM BOTH OF THEM.

I THOUGHT BARBIE HAD A LITTLE MORE EXPERIENCE IN THAT REGARD. IT IS A TOUGH SITUATION, BUT I'M JUST EXCITED THAT WE ARE ATTRACTING THAT LEVEL OF CANDIDATES. I REALLY THINK THAT'S BECAUSE YOU ARE THE FACE OF OUR COUNTY NATIONALLY AND TO MANY EXTEPTS -- EXTENTS INTERNATIONALLY. IT WAKES PEOPLE UP THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY ARE NOT WEARING COWBOY -- WELL, MAYBE WE ARE WEARING COWBOY BOOTS, BUT MAYBE NOT WEARING COWBOY HATS EVERY DAY AND NOT RIDING HORSES TO WORK. BIKES MAYBE, BUT NOT HORSES.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: I DO OCCASIONALLY.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: RIDE YOUR HORSE OR WEAR YOUR HAT?

>> R. JACK CAGLE: BOTH. >> ADRIAN GARCIA: AND SO, JUDGE, I AM JUST PROUD THAT WE ARE HAVING THIS KIND OF A CHALLENGE WITH THESE CANDIDATES.

I JUST FEEL A LITTLE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH BARBIE BEING

MY CHOICE. >> LINA HIDALGO: IS IT ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER ELLIS WE FRAME YOUR MOTION AS INDICATING PRELIMINARY PREFERENCE FOR BARBIE

ROBINSON? >> RODNEY ELLIS: YES, MA'AM.

>> LINA HIDALGO: A MOTION BY COMMISSIONER ELLIS AND SECOND BY FRIGS -- BY COMIGHTSER GARCIA -- COMMISSIONER

GARCIA. >> R. JACK CAGLE: NORMALLY THE WAY THE STRAW POLL GOES IS THEIR PREFERENCE AND THEN SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION AND WE VOTE ON THAT MOTION

AFTERWARDS. >> LINA HIDALGO: LET ME JUST SAY ONE THING BEFORE WE -- WE ARE TRYING TO GO AROUND THIS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO MENTION THE NAME OF THE OTHER PERSON. JUST THINK ABOUT IT BECAUSE -- THAT'S WHY I WAS FRAMING IT IN THE SHAPE OF A MOTION.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH, THE STRAW POLL WHEN I DEALT WITH IT, YOU WOULD OPERATE THE WAY I JUST MAKE THE MOTION, OR SOMEONE WOULD MAKE THE MOTION.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: IF YOU WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY, I'M FINE.

I HAVE SEEN IT NORMALLY DONE, BUT A LOT OF TIMES EVERYBODY SAYS THEIR PREFER -- PREFERENCE BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO THAT EXECUTIVE -- EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN AFTERWARDS WE TAKE A VOTE FOR WHO IT IS. I CAN DO IT THIS WAY TOO.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I'M TRYING TO BE DELICATE.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: WE ALL LIKE -- THIS WAY COMMISSIONER RAMSEY AND I CAN'T SAY WE LIKE BOTH CANDIDATES AND THEY ARE AWESOME. ARE YOU TRYING TO CUT OUT THE ABILITY OF US SAYING WE HAVE A COUPLE OF REALLY GOOD CHOICES AND WE MIGHT HAVE A SLIGHT PREFERENCE OF ONE OR THE OTHER. SOME MAY LIKE A LAWYER BACKGROUND AND SOME OF US MAY LIKE ANOTHER BACKGROUND.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OUT.

YOU -- I AM JUST TRYING TO GET OUT BEFORE 7:00 IN THE

MORNING. >> R. JACK CAGLE: YOU GAVE A LONGER SPEECH THAN I DID. WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO, JUDGE. YOU CAN MAKE THIS UP.

COLONEL ROBERTS, ROBERTS RULES OF ORDER, HE HAS BEEN DEAD

SINCE 1920. >> LINA HIDALGO: OKAY.

IF YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE EXPRESSED YOUR PRELIMINARY PREFERENCE ALREADY WE CAN VOTE ON --

>> R. JACK CAGLE: WE DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE GOING TO

FALL, JUDGE. >> LINA HIDALGO: RIGHT.

SO WE SHOULD TAKE A VOTE THEN ON THE PRELIMINARY PREFERENCE WHICH IS THE MOTION COMMISSIONER ELLIS HAS ON THE TABLE AND COMMISSIONER GARCIA HAS MADE A SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? >> .

>> -- I. >> I.

>> LINA HIDALGO: OPPOSED? >> R. JACK CAGLE: I HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR ANOTHER CANDIDATE.

IT IS NOT OPPOSED TO THIS CANDIDATE, BUT I PREFER THE

OTHER. >> TOM RAMSEY: TWO GREAT CANDIDATES AND I HAVE ANOTHER PREFERENCE.

>> LINA HIDALGO: YEAH IT IS SO TIGHT.

I ECHO MR. GARCIA. IT IS ALMOST A TOSS UP.

BUT I DO -- I WILL EXPRESS MY PREFERENCE FOR BARBIE ROBINSON. I SURE HOPE THAT WE CAN GET THE OTHER CANDIDATE ON BOARD IN SOMEWAY, SHAPE AND FORM IN OUR COUNTY. THEY WERE BOTH FANTASTIC.

COMMISSIONER ELLIS' MOTION CARRIES 3-2.

AND NOW WE NEED A MOTION TO NAME BARBIE ROBINSON AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF HARRIS COUNTY PUBLIC HEALTH AND AUTHORIZE HRRM AND BUDGET MANAGE MEANT TO FINAL LIES

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COMPENSATION AND A START DATE AS ALLOWABLE UNDER HARRIS

COUNTY POLICY. >> RODNEY ELLIS: SO MOVED.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: SECOND. >> LINA HIDALGO: ALL IN

FAVOR? >> I.

>> I. >> I.

>> I. >>

>> LINA HIDALGO: MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.

CONGRATULATIONS TO BARBIE ROBINSON.

SHE WAS FANTASTIC. NEXT IS THE ITEM 228, COATS.

DO WE NEED A MOTION THERE, JAY? NO MOTION, OKAY. AND THEN ITEM -- NO ACTION, JAMES, ON 228. EYE FEMME -- ITEM 229 IS A NO

ACTION AS WELL, CORRECT? >> RODNEY ELLIS: JUDGE, IF I

MIGHT? >> LINA HIDALGO: YEAH.

>> RODNEY ELLIS: I DID WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT I THINK IT IS A GOOD THING TO HAVE SOME CASE LOAD STANDARDS.

AS I UNDERSTOOD IT THERE ARE STANDARDS HERE, BUT IT IS NOT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT HOW MANY CASES A ATTORNEY WHO IS APPOINTED MAY HAVE IN THEIR PRIVATE PRACTICE OR IN ANOTHER COUNTY. THAT WOULD BE A COUNTER TO THE NATIONAL RULES THAT ARE RECOMMENDED AND THE RECOMMENDED STANDARDS COMING FROM THE INDIGENT DEFENSE COMMISSION. I DO KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A BROADENED DISCUSSION OF INDIGENT DEFENSE BECAUSE IT IS A PROBLEM PARTICULARLY WITH THE NUMBERS GOING UP.

I APPLAUD THE JUDGES FOR WANTING TO DO SOMETHING.

I KNOW WE TURNED OWN -- DOWN THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET 4 MILLION FROM THE STATE. MAYBE IT WILL COME BACK, BUT I DOUBT IT. THAT'S WHY I AM ASKING AND I HOPE THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE CAN WORK WITH THEM AND COME UP WITH SOME STANDARDS THAT MEET THOSE NATIONAL AND STATE STANDARDS LOOKING AT THE TOTALITY OF AN APPOINTED LAWYER PRACTICE. THANK YOU.

>> LINA HIDALGO: THOSE SHOULD BE ALL OF THE ITEMS. AM I MISSING ANYTHING COMMISSIONERS? JAY? JAMES?

>> THE ONLY ONE I HAVE JAY TOOK CARE OF FOR ME.

>> R. JACK CAGLE: MOTION TO ADJOURN, JUDGE.

>> ADRIAN GARCIA: SECOND! >> LINA HIDALGO: IT IS 7:20 AND COMMISSIONER'S COURT IS NOW ADJOURNED.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. CONGRATULATIONS, EVERYBODY.

GOOD DAY. THANK YO

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