[C1. Request for approval to pay Court Reporters Clearinghouse for $978.00, from the Harris County Bail Bond Board account for the services rendered (transcription of Bail Bond Board meeting) on Wednesday, May 9, 2022.]

ALL RIGHT. SO THOSE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

.BOTH SETS OF MINUTE ARE APPROVED WE HAVE NO OLD BUSINESS AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

NUMBER ONE, REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL TO PAY COURT REPORTERS CLEARINGHOUSE FOR $978 FROM THE HARRIS COUNTY BAILED ON BOARD ACCOUNT FOR SERVICES RENDERED. TRANSCRIPTION OF DEL PONTE BOARD MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 9, 2022.

ANY DISCUSSION OF THAT ITEM? >> AND MAKE A MOTION TO (AWAY

MIC). >> WE HAVE A MOTION FROM DYLAN

OSBORNE. >> I SECOND THE MOTION.

>> AND A SECOND FROM JUDITH SNIVELY.

ALWAYS IN FAVOR SAY I. >> ANYONE OPPOSE? ANY EXTENSIONS? ALL RIGHT.

ITEM 1 UNDER NEW BUSINESS IS APPROVED.

WE HAVE JUDGE RODRIGUEZ HERE OUR VICE CHAIR SO I'M HAPPY TO

[C2. Request for Renewal of License]

LET HER TAKE OVER THE BEAM OR IF YOU WERE TO GET SETTLED FOR

A MOMENT, JUDGE. >> WHAT ITEM ARE WE ON?

>> NUMBER TWO RENEWAL OF NEW LICENSE UNDER NEW BUSINESS.

>> OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WILL YOU YIELD TO ME? >> OF COURSE.

>> THANK YOU. WELCOME, EVERYONE ONCE AGAIN.

WE ARE UNDER ITEM 1 NUMBER OF NEW BUSINESS.

I COME TO KNOW HIM? THANK YOU.

WE ARE UNDER ITEM 2 NUMBER OF NEW BUSINESS.

REQUEST FOR RENEWAL OF LICENSE. UNITED STATES FIRE INSURANCE COMPANY WANT TO HIRE -- VON DYER AND COMPLETE AGENT.

CRYING] ELENI DBA BY USE CITY BAIL BONDS 1415 FRANKLIN, HOUSTON, TEXAS, 77002. ORIGINAL DATE 8/12/2008.

EXPIRATION DATE, EIGHT, 22/2022.

PHONE NUMBER, 713 4064 403 HERE LICENSE.

NOW WE ARE HERE FOR RENEWAL OF LICENSE.

AND BEFORE US GENTLEMEN, COULD YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE

RECORD? >> LIKE WITH U.S. FIRE

INSURANCE COMPANY. >> TORI.

>> LLOYD EVERYONE WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU DISCREDIT YOUR TESTIMONY BEFORE THE HARRIS COUNTY BAILED ON BOARD TO BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?

>> YES, MA'AM. >> I DO.> OKAY.

THANK YOU. IF ANYONE HAS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, YOU CAN GET MY ATTENTION ON ANY PARTICULAR GENDER IDENTITY WILL BE RECOGNIZED.

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STARTING WITH QUESTIONS. >> SERGEANT DAILEY ON THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WENT TO THE PROPERTY TO INSPECT THE PROPERTY AND SOME FILES ON THE FILES REVIEWED WERE IN COMPLIANCE WITH 1704. MR. MICHAEL HANEY, I WOULD LIKE TO JUST REMIND YOU THAT YOUR ASSUMED NAME CERTIFICATE EXPIRES THIS YEAR. SO WHEN YOU APPLY FOR RENEWAL OF THAT ASSUMED NAME, JUST GIVE US A COPY SO WE CAN PUT IT ON

FILE WITH YOUR LICENSE. >> SURE WELL.

THANK YOU. >> OTHER THAN THAT THE APPLICATION WAS IN ORDER AND WE HAVE NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

>> TREASURER? >> NO QUESTIONS.

>> NO QUESTIONS. >> COUNSEL?

>> NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS APPLICATION IS COMPLETE.

>> NO QUESTIONS FROM COUNTY. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BUT THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> EXCUSE ME I HAVE A QUESTION. CATHERINE CASE I HAVE A QUESTION. MR. MICHAEL HANEY, CAN YOU TELL US IN YOUR PRACTICE, DO YOU MAKE ZERO COST BAIL BONDS EVER?

>> I'M SORRY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.> DO YOU EVER DID DID YOU EVER CONVEY BAIL BONDS WITHOUT REQUESTING ANY MONEY DOWN?

>> NO, MA'AM. >> OKAY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> QUESTIONS.E >> THANK YOU, COUNSEL.

THCHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.> MICHAEL D TARA I

HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. >> (AWAY MIC).> OKAY PICTON FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING EITHER. ANY OPPOSED? THE AYES HAVE IT. THE PERIPHERAL RENEWAL THE NEXT

[C3. Request for Renewal of License]

ITEM ON OUR AGENDA. IT'S A REQUEST FOR RENEWAL OF LICENSE. AMERICAN SURETY COMPANY VOIR DIRE INCOMPLETE. LICENSE NUMBER JULY 4TH, 2006, , DBA JCB BAIL BONDS, 6906 TENNYSON ST., SUITE HOUSTON, TEXAS, 77020. ORIGINAL DATE 8/12/2020.

EXPIRATION DATE, 8/22/2022. 832/276/9177.

FOR A TWO YEAR LICENSE. GENTLEMEN, STATE YOUR NAMES FOR

THE RECORD. >> ROGER VICE PRESIDENT FOR AMERICAN SURETY. (NAME).

>> THANK YOU. EVERYONE IS GOING TO TESTIFY, WOULD YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR THAT YOUR TESTIMONY BEFORE THE HARRIS COUNTY BAIL BOND BOARD TO BE THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD?

>> I DO. >> I DO.

>> THANK YOU. I WILL OPEN QUESTIONS WITH THE

SERGEANT. >> YES.

SO THE APPLICATION WAS REVIEWED AND ALL THE REQUIRED INFORMATION IS IN THE APPLICATION.

THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE DOES HAVE SOME QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THE INSPECTION THAT WAS DONE ON THE PROPERTY.

SO YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE WENT OUT TO INSPECT YOUR PROPERTY?

>> YES. >> SAID THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REVIEW FILES AND YOU HAD YOUR TEAM MADE COPIES OF THOSE FILES

FOR US. >> ASKED.

>> OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IN REGARD TO A COUPLE OF THE FILES THAT WERE IN REVIEW. SO I'M GOING TO START WITH A DEFENDANT BY THE NAME OF HOBART.

SHE WAS -- A BOND WAS POSTED FOR DEFENDANTS ON 4/6.

OKAY? AND THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT DEVELOPED AS WE WERE LOOKING AT THE FILE.

SO IN REVIEWING THE FILE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOUND THAT THE DEFENDANT WAS NOT RELEASED FROM HARRIS COUNTY JAIL ON A BOND FROM YOUR OFFICE. SHE WAS RELEASED FROM CUSTODY AS THE CASE WAS DISMISSED. SO WE CONTACTED -- WE INITIALLY CONTACTED THE DEFENDANT AND SHE STATED THAT SEEING -- SHE WAS NOT ALLOWED A REFUND. THAT SHE CONTACTED YOUR OFFICE AND ADVISED THAT THE CASE WAS DISMISSED BUT SHE WAS NOT

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ENTITLED TO A REFUND. SO THE SHERIFF LOOKED AT THE CASE A LITTLE FURTHER AND WE FOUND OUT THAT IN OUR EARLY REVIEW, WE FOUND OUT THAT THE BOND WAS DELETED BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FROM THE COURT SYSTEM ON 4/8.

AS PART OF THAT DELETION, THAT BOND AND POWER WOULD HAVE BEEN RETURNED TO YOUR OFFICE. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE ALSO FOUND THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SUBMITTED A REFUND ESREQUT FOR THE $15 THAT YOU WOULD HAVE PAID AS A SUFEE FOR BMITTING THAT FILE, AND THE AUDITOR HAS ALREADY CUYOU A CHECK R ON 5/9 FOTHE REFUND KIFEE. SO WHAT I'M ASNG TIYOU NOW, THE QUESON TO AIYOU IS CAN YOU EXPLN YOUR BUSINESS PRACTICE WHEN A CLIENT GOES IN AND USES YOUR COMPANY TO POSTED BOND BUT THEN THE BOND IS NOT USED BECAUSE THEY ARE RELEASED FROM CUSTODY. AND IN THIS CASE IT WAS DISMISSED. OKAY? BEFORE YOU ANSWER, MARIO, AS A BAIL BOND BOARD REPRESENTATIVE, WANT YOU TO WEIGH IN ON HIS BUSINESS PRACTICE, AND YOU CAN ADVISE THE BOARDIF THAT'S CUSTOMARY, IN YOUR OPINION, FOR THE BONDING COMMITTEE. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M

ASKING? >> I UNDERSTAND PERFECTLY.

>> OKAY. >> IS A MICROPHONE ON?

I'M HAVING A HARD TIME. >> IS SHOWING RAIN.

>> MAYBE JUST SPEAK UP A LITTLE BIT SO WE CAN HEAR YOU FAIRLY.

>> ALL RIGHT. THAT WAS -- I WAS NOT 100 PERCENT AWARE ABOUT THAT. THE AGENTS IN THE OFFICE -- THERE WAS A MISUNDERSTANDING OF WHAT HAPPENED BUT IN REGARDS TO US TELLING THEM YOU ARE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR A REFUND, IF WE ARE NOT ON THE LIABILITY AND, OBVIOUSLY, WE GIVE A REFUND BACK AND WE FOLLOWED A 7 TO 10 S BUSINESS DAYS AND GIVE A REFU BACK. THERE WASOME MISUNDERSTANDINGS THAT FOLLOWED WE WERE NOT AWARE OF BECAUSE THE DAY YOU CAME IN AND YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IT WE HAD A HARD TIME FINDING IT AND IT SEEMED LIKE THEY HAD NEVER MOVED IT IN REGARDS TO THAT FILE IT WAS DONE BY AN AGENT THAT WASN'T WORKING THERE NO MORE. AM I ALWAYS DO THE REFUNDS THE RIGHT WAY PICK ME HAVE NEVER HAVE GIVEN OUT A REFUND BACK.

>> MATURE PRACTICE? >> HOW QUICKLY DO YOU REFUND --

>> 7 TO 10 DAYS. THAT'S OUR REFUND POLICY.

>> I'M SORRY. AFTER THEY SIGNED.

>> LET ME UNDERSTAND AND JUST CONFIRM YOUR ANSWER.

SO YOUR ANSWER TO THE BOARD IS THAT WHEN A DEFENDANT USES YOUR SERVICES AT A BONDING AND THEN IS RELEASED AT SOME OTHER MEANS AND IN THIS CASE IT WAS THE CASE WAS DISMISSED THAT IT'S IN YOUR PRACTICE WITH THE BONDING COMPANY TO REFUND THE MONEY.

>> REFUND ONCE THE CASE IS -- IF WE ARE NOT LIABILITY, THE MONEY IS RETURNED BACK TO THEM. THEY USE OUR SERVICE AT THE END

OF THE DAY. >> SO IS IT YOUR PRACTICE THAT

WHEN YOU WERE NOTIFIED -- >> AND WAS NOTIFIED ABOUT THAT ONE.> THE ACTUAL BOND ITSELF AND THE POWER WOULD'VE WENT

BACK TO YOUR COMPANY. >> THE ONLY UNDERSTANDING I HAVE TO THIS THERE WAS -- AFTER EVERYTHING -- AFTER THEY VERIFIED THE FILE AND EVERYTHING AND WE DID NOTICE WHEN WE ARE UNDER ACTIVITIES -- NOT ACTIVITIES.

BONDS. OUR BOND WAS STILL THERE BUT WE DID NOT NOTICE ON THE ACTIVITIES IT WAS DELETED.

SO I THINK THAT IS WHERE THE MISCOMMUNICATION WAS THAT THE BOND WAS NOT 100 PERCENT FROM THE DATABASE OF HARRIS COUNTY

DISTRICT CLERK. >> AND YOU ALSO TESTIFIED BEFORE THE BOARD THAT IT WAS AN EMPLOYEE THERE WAS NO LONGER

THERE? >> YES.

SHE'S NO LONGER THERE. >> YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT ANY ACTIVITY THAT HAPPENS IN THAT COMPANY IS NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE EMPLOYEES.

>> I THINK I TAKE 100 PERCENT RESPONSIBILITY.

I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T. >> IN THIS INSTANCE, AGAIN, WE MADE ONLY AN INITIAL CONTACT WITH THE DEFENDANT E AND SHSAYS THAT SHE VERBALLY REQUESTED ONE ANSHE WAS TOLD THAT

NOT IALLOWED TO PUTT -- K >> I DON'TNOW WHO SHE ECSPOKE

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TO BAUSE ALL VETHROUGH ME AND I EN VERIFY IN THEM BEFORE DOG A REFUND BUT THAT WAS NOT THE CASE. THAT WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION

RIGHT THERE. >> PERSON HASN'T BEEN GIVEN -- AT PRESENT TIME AS A REFUND AND GIVING.

>> NOT AT THIS TIME. >> AT THAT POINT THERE WAS A

REFUND? >> NO.

THIS PARTICULAR ONE -- THIS PARTICULAR CASE WE CONTACT HER MOMMY LOOK AT IT WE SAW R THAT WAS DISMISSED AND THAT DREW OU

CURIOSITY. >> ARE YOU BARELY BEING MADE

AWARE OF THIS FILE? >> I WAS MADE AWARE WHEN THEY CAME FOR THE INSPECTION BECAUSE THE FILE WAS -- WE COULDN'T FIND IT FOR SOME REASON AND NORMALLY MORE CAT 5 FILES I KNOW THE OFFICE LIKE THE BACK OF MY HEAD.

>> WHEN YOU DISCOVER THE FILE. >> WE DISCOVERED THE FILE AND

CHECK. >> HEAVY REFUND OF THE MONEY LIKELY HAVE NOT REFUNDED THE MONEY BUT WE HAVEN'T BEEN MADE CLEAR BECAUSE IN THE DISTRICT CLERK IT SHOWS OUR BONAIRE SO WE WERE NOT 100 PERCENT SURE WE HAVE A COPY ON THERE.

I'M PRETTY SURE I RECEIVED A COPY OF THAT DOCUMENT THAT THE BOND SHOWS -- I DON'T KNOW IF IT WASN'T DELETED 100 PERCENT I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE MISCOMMUNICATION CAME WITH THE AGENT THAT WAS SPEAKING TO THE DEFENDANT OR COSIGNER BECAUSE THE MONEY GOES TO A PERSON THAT PAYS, NOT THE DEFENDANT.

>> GOT YOU PICKED ME TO RETURN THE MONEY BACK TO WHOEVER MADE THE MONEY. NOW, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ARE THERE ANY RULES REQUIRING THAT THE COSIGNER, HOWEVER PAID, WOULD REQUEST A REFUND IN WRITING?

>> THERE IS -- YES. THERE IS A LOCAL RULE THAT THE

REQUEST BE IN WRITING. >> AND THEN 30 DAYS FROM THAT

POINT? >> RIGHT.

IN THIS INSTANCE THE PICTURE THAT WAS PAINTED BY THE DEFENDANT WAS THAT SHE WASN'T EVEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT IT IN WRITING. SHE WAS TOLD THAT SHE IS NOT

ELIGIBLE FOR A REFUND. >> CAN I CLARIFY THAT? THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE REQUEST BE MADE IN WRITING, BUT IF A REQUEST IS MADE IN WRITING, THE KNOT STARTS A TIME CLOCK FOR PROCESSING THAT REFUND.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ROLE 17 OF OUR LOCAL RULES.

A PERSON MAY SUBMIT A WRITTEN REQUEST TO THE LICENSEE OR AGENT FOR CORPORATE SURETY FOR A REFUND, NOT LATER THAN 10 BUSINESS DAYS FROM THE RECEIPT OF A WRITTEN REQUEST FOR REFUND OF LESS THAN ZERO AGENT SHOULD MAKE ANY REFUND YOU AVAILABLE, ET CETERA IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT BUT IF YOU DO MAKE A WRITTEN REQUEST, THE KNOT STARTS A CLOCK.

>> ALSO BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE PUBLIC'S DID THE PUBLIC IS NOT ALWAYS PRIVY TO THE LEGAL PROCESS AND WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT I DON'T MAKE THEM GIVE ME A WRITTEN REQUEST.

I AUTOMATICALLY REFUND THE MONEY.

BUT ON THE DAY -- WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS THE DAY THAT YOU DISCOVERED THE DISCREPANCY OF THE MISCOMMUNICATION, WHEN YOU GO AND PULL IT UP, OBVIOUSLY, THERE IS NO BONAIRE.

>> WE -- I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO PUT THE MONEY BACK.

THEY PAY WITH A CREDIT CARD. SO THAT'S ONE THING WE HAD TO VERIFY AS WELL. SOMETIMES THERE'S THINNESS AND THUS I LEARNED WORKING TO THE BUSINESS I'VE DONE A REFUND BACK AND THEY PUT A PAYMENT ON THE REFUND AND THEY GET A CHECK FOR WHAT THEY DISPUTED FORD. THAT'S ANOTHER REASON --

>> HOW LONG AGO HAS THIS BEEN. >> THIS WAS IN APRIL.

THIS PARTICULAR ONE WAS POSTED 6.RIL

>> DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER CASES YOU WANT TO BRING UP?

>> HAVE ONANOTHER E. BUT DID CYOU HAVE ALARIFYING ON

QUESTI? >> I THINK (NAME) MIGHT HAVE ON TOUCHED THIS. IS ENYOUR POLICY WH LISOMETHING KE THIS HAPPENS, DO YOU Y AUTOMATICALLISSUE A REFUND?SE

>> WHAT THE CA IS ALL D.ABOUT IS DISPOSE

>> IF I CAN JUMP IN FOR A MOMENT.

L THE MERE FACT THAT THE CRIMINA CASE WAS DISMISSED OR OTHERWISE DISPOSED IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY R TRIGGER A REFUN OF WHATEVE(INDISCERCERNIBLE) PAID.

AND THAT SECURE THE RELEASE FROM CUSTODY AND ETIQUETTES DISMISSED THE NEXT DAY, THERE'S NO ENTITLEMENT TO A REFUND.

THEY DID WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO.

YOU'VE HEARD THEM SAY EVEN AS OF TODAY THE CLERK'S OFFICE IS STILL SHOWING THAT BOND IN HIS. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE

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ENTRY WOULD LOOK LIKE IF ONE WERE DELETED, BUT JUST THE FACT THAT IT WAS DISMISSED ALONE WOULDN'T TRIGGER ANYTHING.

>> SO TO YOUR POINT, MR. MOORE, IN THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, JUST FOR CLARITY, THE INDIVIDUAL, THE DEFENDANT, THAT WAS RELEASED AGAIN, HER INITIAL CONVERSATION OVER THE PHONE BECAUSE SHE WAS RELEASED FROM CUSTODY AS THE CASE WAS DISMISSED.A SHE WAS NOT RELEASED ON CUSTODY AS SHE WAS ON SURETY BOND. SHE SAID SHE CONTACTED THEM WHEN SHE GOT OUT. THE FOLLOWING DAY, SHE SAYS.

F COURSE, IT'S STILL BEING LOOKED AT BUT SHE SAID SHE CONTACTED AN OFFICE THE FOLLOWING DAY AND SAID SHE WAS RELEASED FROM CUSTODY AS THE CASE WAS DISMISSED.

>> THE BOND WAS POSTED APRIL 6 BUT IT WASN'T POSTED UNTIL

APRIL 8. >> SHE CONTACTED THEM APRIL 8.

SO THE SCENARIO IS BEST. POSTED ON THE SIXTH AND SHE WENT TO COURT WHILE STILL IN CUSTODY.

AND THEN SHE WAS RELEASED AFTER SHE SAW THE JUDGE AS THE CASE

WAS DISMISSED. >> MAY I ALSO -- GO AHEAD

COUNSEL. >> OKAY.

COUNSEL, AND IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE YOUR CLIENT HAS ADMITTED THAT THIS WOMAN MAY BE ENTITLED TO A REFUND, AN ISSUE I'M HAVING A LITTLE BIT OF PROBLEM WITH HAVING RUN A LAW FIRM, HAVING ACCEPTED FEES BY CREDIT CARD IS THAT IT HAS TAKEN NOW THREE MONTHS TO GET TO THIS POINT INTO CHECKING INTO WHETHER SHE'S ALREADY GOT A REFUND FROM THE CREDIT CARD COMPANY OR WHAT HAVE YOU. THAT SEEMS LIKE AN AWFULLY LONG TIME, AND I'M NOT CLEAR WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

IN OTHER SITUATIONS WHEN WE HAVE THESE PROBLEMS, WHERE PEOPLE SAID ON THE COURTS MONEY WE TABLED THE MOTION AND FOR THEM TO BE RELICENSED OR TO BE LICENSED DEMI-SEC TO PAY THOSE FEES, I'M WONDERING WHY WE SHOULDN'T DO THAT HERE.

CAN YOU GIVE ME SOME INSIGHT? INTO WHY WE SHOULDN'T DICTATE WHY SHOULD WE SHOULDN'T TABLE THIS MATTER TODAY AND HAVE YOUR CLIENT GO AND GET THIS STRAIGHTENED OUT?

>> I MEAN, THAT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, WE CAN DO THAT.

THIS LICENSE DOESN'T EXPIRE UNTIL AUGUST 22, I BELIEVE HE SAID, SO THERE WOULD BE TIME FOR THIS TO BE BACK ON THE

AGENDA NEXT MONTH. >> I BELIEVE THE SERGEANT HAS A

COUPLE OF CASES TO GO.>> I HAVE ANOTHER CASE, SO THAT IS AN OPTION, CATHERINE. BUT IF WE HAVE NO MORE QUESTIONS ON THIS PARTICULAR DEFENDANT.

>> MAY I? >> YOU MAY.

>> I WILL WAIT UNTIL THE SERGEANT GOES BUT AS IT APPLIES TO THIS CASE I WILL USE OF THIS PARTICULAR EMPLOYEE IS NOT EMPLOYED WITH YOUR OFFICE 20 FACILITATED E THSPOHN

TRANSACTION? >> IT WAS MISCONDUCT STHATHE'S

NOT WORKING MIN AORE. >> THIS EEEMPLOY IS NOT LISTED N

YOUR CURRENT IOAPPLICATN. >> SHE'S EDNOT LIST THERE.

OKAY. STHANK YOU,IR.

>> 'S URGENT QUICK SO WE ARE E GOING TO MOVON TO ANOTHER THSCENARIO WITH E DIFFERENT ISDEFENDANT.TH IS A DEFENDANT T GARCIA THATHE PAYMENT ON THE S RECEIPT SHOWS 5/4,O THIS HAPPENED MAY 4. WE REVIEWED THIS FILE, AND WE FOUND THAT THIS DEFENDANT WAS NOT RELEASED FROM CUSTODY UNDER A JCB BOND, A SURETY BOND, BUT THIS DEFENDANT WAS RELEASED ON A PR BOND. SO IN REVIEWING THE FILE, WE FOUND A REFUND CHECK WITHIN THE FILE, BUT THE REFUND CHECK WAS NEVER MAILED, NEVER GIVEN TO THE INDIVIDUAL THAT REQUESTED THE MONEY. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN YOUR

BUSINESS PRACTICE IN REGARDS. >> LET ME FINISH.

>> THIS PARTICULAR INSTANCE, THIS INDIVIDUAL RECEIVED A PR BOND, BUT THEY WENT TO YOUR OFFICE INITIALLY, AND WHEN A REQUEST IS MADE FOR A REFUND, WHY WAS IT NOT GIVEN TO HER? WHY DOES IT'S STILL SIT WHEN WE GO TO DO AN INSPECTION IN JULY,

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AND IT'S STILL THERE. CAN YOU EXPLAIN YOUR BUSINESS

PRACTICES ON THAT? >> THE REFUND ON THAT ONE WAS GIVEN AND LARRY CAME TO PICK IT UP AND ALL THE TRANSACTIONS ARE DONE. THE FIRE WAS LAID ON MY DESK AND WE DID DO THE REFUND ON THAT ONE AND EVERYTHING WAS DONE ON THE RIGHT WAY. SHE DIDN'T PICK IT UP.

SHE WAS AWARE. SHE KNEW SHE HAD A REFUND.

THERE WAS NO MISCOMMUNICATION ON THE FILE.

>> WELL, NOW, YOU SAY THAT SHE KNEW THAT SHE HAD A REFUND.

>> YES BECAUSE WE DID A REFUND REQUEST.

>> SO WHEN ARE YOU TELLING ME, THEN, THAT YOU CONTACTED HER

AND MADE HER AWARE -- >> I DIDN'T CONTACT HER INITIALLY. SHE GOT AT LEAST ONE CALL AND SHE DIDN'T ANSWER AND SHE GOT A VOICEMAIL BUT SHE DID GET CONTACTED. IF SHE DIDN'T TAKE IT OR ANSWER OR GET THE VOICEMAIL, THAT'S OUT OF OUR HANDS BUT WE DID CONTACT HER AND THIS WAS TOLD TO HER THAT DAY.

THE REFUND GOES BASED ON -- IT WAS A TWO WEEK PERIOD AND SHE PICKED IT UP. AFTER SHE CAME BUT SHE WAS -- > ACTUALLY, YOU DID NOT TELL ME THAT.

WHEN I ASKED YOU, YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHY SHE DIDN'T PICK

IT UP. >> I DIDN'T KNOW THINKING LIKE I SAID SHE COULD HAVE BEEN ON VACATION.

I DON'T KNOW. SHE HAS A LIFE.

SHE WENT THROUGH -- SHE CAME AND PICKED IT UP AND WAS VERY GRATEFUL WHEN SHE PICKED IT UP. SHE WAS AWARE BUT GIDDY ABOUT THE REFUND. WE DIDN'T KEEP --

>> SO THEN IN YOUR STATEMENT TO THE BOARD AND WHAT YOU ARE TELLING THE BOARD IS THAT IN INSTANCES WHERE SOMEBODY RECEIVES A PR BOND AND ARE RELEASED ON A PR BOND AND NOT ON A BOND FROM JCB, THAT IS YOUR PRACTICE TO REFUND THE

MONEY. >> WE REFUND THE MONEY IN 7 TO 10 BUSINESS DAYS AFTER THEY SIGNED THE PAPER.

AND THEY HAVE TO COME AND PICK IT UP IN PERSON AS WELL BECAUSE WE DON'T MAIL IT OR DO NONE OF THAT.

THEY HAVE TO COME. WE GIVEN THE CHECK AND WE GIVE THE ITEM TO THE PERSON WHO PAID THE MONEY AND THEY SIGN OFF ON IT TO VERIFY THEY RECEIVED IT. IN PAST OCCASIONS WE DID HAVE PEOPLE THAT WERE LIKE WE DID RECEIVE ABOUT WE HAD PROOF THEY

DID RECEIVE IT. >> ACTUALLY YOU JUST MADE A COMMENT TO THE BOARD THAT SAID IT'S AFTER THEY SIGNED THE

PAPER, CORRECT? >> YES.

>> AND IN THIS PARTICULAR STINANCE, THAT'S WHAT CAUSED MY RICUOSITY IS BECAUSE THE CHECK WAS E,THER BUT THERE IS NO SIGNATURE ON THE REFUND REQUEST.

ID>> I D NOTICE SETHAT. IT'S MADE OUT

FORM A WASTAFFER. >> IT SN'T NEMADE UP.

ON IT AND I GAVE THE ISCHECK -- MY SIGNATURE IN

THERE. S>> YOURS IS BUT YOU JUSTTATED THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN THE SIGNATURE REQUESTINGIT, AND THAT ISN'T ON THERE. THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY STRUCK ME BECAUSE I WAS WONDERING HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, AND THEN AND I LOOKED AT IN JULY.

>> SO SERGEANT, I THINK MAYBE H THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING WHICIS THAT THEY DON'T MAIL THE CHECKS OUT.

THEY REQUIRE THE PEOPLE TO COME IN AND SIGN AN ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THEY HAVE RECEIVED IT. SO IT'S NOT SIGNATURE THAT WAS NOT THERE AT THE TIME YOU WERE THERE INSPECTING BUT SHE'S NOT

PICKED UP HER CHECK. >> OKAY.

>> WHAT HAPPENS TO MONEY THAT'S NOT PICKED UP?

>> WE WAY TO DEEPLY CALL THEM AND IF THEY ANSWER WE DID IT BECAUSE THOSE FILES, THEY DON'T GO IN OUR SYSTEM.

WE HAVE OUR SYSTEM FOR SOFTWARE AND THEN THERE WILL BE A MIXTURE OF BONDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT SO WE TRY TO KEEP THOSE.

BUT WE GO TO THE OFFICE AND ALL OF THE REFUNDS HAVE BEEN PICKED UP. THERE'S NO REFUND CHECKS LAYING DOWN. NORMALLY THERE'S NO REFUND CHECKS. THAT ONE WAS THERE BUT LIKE I SAID, WE DO CONTACT PEOPLE AND THEY COME AND THEY PICKED THEM

UP. >> HE NEVER HAD AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE JUST NOT GETTING THE MONEY?

>> NO. SOMETIMES THEY FIGURE OUT THERE WERE SOME CHECKS THERE BUT THOSE WERE PAYMENTS WE HAD CREATED OR THEY WERE DISPUTED PAYMENTS.

SO AT THAT TIME THOSE CHECKS THAT DDP DON'T GIVE THEM BACK BECAUSE THEY ARE DISPUTED. THERE IS MONEY THAT IS PUT BACK

INTO THEIR CLIENT -- ACCOUNT. >> TO HAVE ANYTHING ELSE,

SERGEANT? >> I'M GOINGTO GO DOWN --

>> I HAVE ONE QUESTION. >> WHEN WE WENT TO GO SPEAK TO YOU AND AS WE WERE LEAVING, YOU WERE TALKING TO ME AND DEPUTY CARMACK AND YOU HAD STATED THE DATE YOU TOLD US OF AN INCIDENT WHERE YOU HAD TO CALL THE POLICE TO YOUR PLACE OF BUSINESS BECAUSE OF A STAFFER CONDUCTING AN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.

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HE REMEMBER THAT CONVERSATION? >> YEAH.

>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN (OVERLAPPING SPEAKERS).

>> CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD IN THAT INSTANCE WHAT HAPPENED

WITH THAT STAFFER? >> SO THAT STAFF MEMBER, SHE ENDED UP -- SHE -- I WASN'T AWARE OF IT BUT SHE WAS SELLING (WORD), AND ILLEGAL DRUGS AND I WASN'T AWARE BUT I FOUND OUT THEY WERE HIDDEN IN THE OFFICE. AND SHE CAME TO REQUEST THEM AND YOU KNOW, WE CALLED AN OFFICER TO VERIFY THESE DRUGS AND IT WAS AFTER THAT THAT SHE WAS NOT PRESCRIBED.

SHE BROUGHT THEM FROM MEXICO AND SHE WAS TRYING TO SELL TO SOME OF THE EMPLOYEES AT MY OFFICE.

SO WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT THAT, SHE GOT ARRESTED.

>> CAN YOU CONFIRM THE ADDRESS? WHAT IS YOUR BUSINESS ADDRESS.

>> 6906 DENISON ST., HOUSTON, TX.

>> OKAY. SO BECAUSE OF THAT CONVERSATION, RIGHT, I PULLED THE CALL SLIPS FOR HOUSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO IN THE CALL SLIPS, JUAN, CAN YOU EXPLAIN FORD WHY BETWEEN DECEMBER 2021 AND MAY 2022 THERE WERE SIX WEAPONS DISTURBANCE CALLS FOR TO THAT

ADDRESS? >> I HAVE A COPY IF YOU WANT

IT.RE >>.

>> THE'S ONE BEHIND US THE GUYS

>> SO YOU ARE UNAWARE.> I WASN'T AWARE THAT THIS HAS NEVER -- WE DON'T -- RERUN A PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS AND WE DON'T DO DISTURBANCE AS A PUBLIC SERVICE.

>> OKAY. SO THOSE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE IN REGARDS TO JCP FAILED BUNDLES.

THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE REQUESTS THAT WE TABLE THIS UNTIL AUGUST, SO WE CAN TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE ACTIVITY.

WE DO HAVE A REQUEST THAT WE HAVE FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND AS PART OF THE PACKET, WE ASKED EACH INDIVIDUAL TO PROVIDE THREE LETTERS OF REFERENCE, AND ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN 1704 AND MARK YOU CAN HELPED ME OUT IS IN REGARDS TO FAIL THE FAIR DEALING.

AS WE RESEARCHED THE APPLICATION AND RESEARCHED THE FILES, IF IT CAN BE PROVEN THAT THERE WAS THERE UNFAIR DEALING LIKE TO GET AN OPINION FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

>> THANK YOU. AT THIS TIME IS ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN MOTIONS? WE WILL FIRST GO HERE AND HERE AND THEN ENTERTAIN A MOTION.

>> (AWAY MIC). >> I SEE OTHER COSTS LISTED AND

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THAT'S WHY WE MAKE A MOTION AFTER WEEK AROUND THE BOARD AND WANTED TO LOOK A LITTLE FURTHER.

>> TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, NO -- WHEN THE POLICE WERE

CALLED -- >> I WASN'T AWARE OF THIS.

>> FOR THE MATH YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT.

>> THE OFFICE, >> WHAT DATE.

>> BEGINNING OF JANUARY IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN THIS YEAR.

>> THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE.

>> DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, NO ONE WILL BE QUICK BUT I HAVE SEVERAL HUNDRED AS PART OF YOUR AGREEMENT WITH EACH CUSTOMER FAMILY MEMBER DEFENDANT WHO COMES TO YOUR DOOR TO POSTED BOND OR DOCUMENTS YOU EXECUTE AS PART OF THAT AGREEMENT?

>> IN THE IRREQUEMENTS TO DO THE .BOND

T >> WHADOCUMENTS DO YOU COMPLETE OR EDEXECUT FOR EACH BOND BYOU MAKEETWEEN YOU AND F MILY MEMBER OR ARE YOU IN WHATEVER CUSTOMER ASKED THEM FOR THE TAXES.

WE OFTEN ETPROTECT SOCIY AND PROOF OF INCOME IN THE AGREEMENT WE GIVE THEM EXPLAINS THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LIVE OWVIDEO AND IF THEY DON'T SH UP AS A PACKAGE OF SIX

SLIPS. >> DO YOU MEAN IT'S A SIX PAGE

DOCUMENT FOR. >> YES.

>> WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE UNDERSTANDING EACH OTHER.

HASINCE YOU GOT YOUR LICENSE IN AUGUST 2020 VE USED THE SAME

AGREEMENT. >> AND ARE CURRENTLY IN USE

TODAY. >> YES.

>> WHEN THEY HAVE BEEN USED ON THE TWO BONDS THAT THE SERGEANT MENTIONED TO YOU AS PART OF THE CONTRACTOR AGREEMENT IS THERE ANY LANGUAGE IN IT PURPORTING TO WAIVE ANY DECEPTIVE TRADE PRACTICES ACT REMEDIES THAT A CUSTOMER MAY HAVE? IS THAT PART OF YOUR AGREEMENT WITH YOUR CUSTOMERS.

>> YOU SAID YOU LIVE AT YOUR OFFICE.

>> I DON'T LIVE THERE ABOUT 9/10 IN MY OFFICE I'M TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH EVERY BOND THAT GETS THEM.

I HAVE TO PROVE THE BONDS AND THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH ME.

>> SO YOU WERE SPEAKING METAPHORICALLY AND I TOOK IT SERIOUSLY. HE MET YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME

(ROLL CALLED). >> REFUNDS, WE DON'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH TOP CLIENTS WHAT WE NEED MAY ASKED HIM WHY WE DON'T BRING IT UP AND ASKED HIM HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN THERE AND THEY COME TO THE OFFICE AND ONCE WE GET ON THE APPLICATION DESIGN WINDOW BASED ON WHAT THEY HAVE MAY REQUIRE A COSIGNER AND IF THEY DON'T WANT TO AGREE TO THE COMPLIANCE MAY

TELL ME TO A REFUND. >> WHAT ABOUT A SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE EITHER YOU OR AN EMPLOYEE HAS POSTED THE BOND BY GOING TO THE BONDING WINDOW AND THE BOND IS NOT USED TO BOND

THE DEFENDANT OUT. >> (ROLL CALLED).

>> LET ME FINISH. THE SERGEANT MENTIONED WHERE IT WAS DEFENDANT DISMISS OF THE BOND WAS NEEDED AND IT WAS PROCESSED BACK AND YOU GOT YOUR $15 BACK AND THAT MIGHT BE AN INSTANCE REGULAR REFUND. THE DEFENDANT GOT A PR BOND INSTEAD OF THE SURETY BOND WITH THOSE THE INSTANCES WE WOULD

PROCESS A REFUND? >> THOSE ARE REFUNDS FOR SURE.

IN REGARDS TO THE CE (INDISRCERNIBLE) (ROLL TH

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CALLED) I THINK AT WAS ONA MISCOMMUNICATI WITH F UNQUESTIONABLY SERGEANT HAS FOLLOWED.

>> THAT IS A TRUE COMMENT. MY QUESTION,THOUGH I THINK I SH MADE IT CLEAR WAS THE ERIFF'S OFFICE ITSELF HAS A POLICY WILL MONITOR THESE THINGS AND DO YOU RECEIVE REFUND CHECKS FROM THE AUDITOR'S OFFICE ON A REGULAR BASIS? YOU ARE SEATED RECEIVE REFUND CHECK FROM ACCOUNTING (ROLL

CALLED). >> THOSE REFUND CHECKS THAT YOU RECEIVED, DO YOU PUT IN PAPERWORK IN ORDER FOR THOSE TO BE DRAFTED TO YOU? THAT YOU KNOW OF? IS THERE ANY PAPERWORK THAT YOUR TEAM DOES THAT YOU DO IN

ORDER FOR THAT TO BE DONE. >> WE CHOSE A REFUND REQUEST.

>> YOU MISUNDERSTOOD. THE COMPANY IS FROM TIME TO TIME ISSUED A CHECK FROM THE COUNTY IN REGARDS TO REFUNDS FROM THE $15 FEES THAT YOU WOULD HAVE PAID BUT IT'S FOUND OUT THAT THOSE PARTICULAR BONDS WERE NOT PROCESSED AND THEY WERE NOT USED FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO

ME? >> WHENEVER YOU GET A CHECK FOR $15 IF YOU DO A BOND IN THIS CASE IS NOT TAKEN OR DELETED YOU GET A CHECK BACK YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT IN THE REQUEST, YOU AUTOMATICALLY GET THAT $15 YOU HAVE TO CALL THEM AND SAY WHERE'S MY $15. YOU GET IN THE MAIL.

>> RIGHT. IN THIS INSTANCE, AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT CATHERINE WAS TALKING TO.

I WANT TO PUT WORDS IN HER MOUTH BY ANY MEANS BUT WE ARE TRYING TO FIND THE PATH WHERE YOU KNEW THE TOBART CASE.

IT'S LIKE THERE'S NO PRACTICE WITHIN THE COMPANY TO ISSUE A REFUND UNLESS IT'S REQUESTED BY THEM.

>> NORMALLY THEY REQUEST DUTY EVERY BOND WE'VE DONE THERE'S A REFUND OR PURE WEEK OF MONEY BACK WE DON'T KEEP MONEY FROM CLIENTS. WE ISSUE BACK THE MONEY IF THERE'S A MISCOMMUNICATION ANYTHING AT THIS POINT BUT WE DON'T STEAL MONEY. THAT'S THE PERCEPTION I'M TRYING TO GIVE EVERYBODY RIGHT NOW.

>> OKAY. >> I'M SORRY, ROGER.

>> THE REFUND STATUTE DOES CONTAIN A LOCAL GOVERNMENT CODE ABOUT THE $15 IS TRIGGERED BY EITHER A DECLINE TO PROSECUTE RAY DISMISSAL. NEITHER OF THOSE AUTOMATICALLY WOULD TRIGGER A REFUND BECAUSE IT DEPENDS ON TIMING FOR A BOND IS POSTED AND DISMISSED A WEEK LATER.

BRONSON WILL STILL BE ENTITLED TO A REFUND.

NO OBLIGATION TO THE CUSTOMER IN THE SAME WAY DOESN'T HAPPEN HERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE INTAKE ATTORNEYS.

IT'S LIKE APPLES AND ORANGES AT LEAST MY MOM.

>> I N'DOT THINK ANYONE'S CONFUSED ABOUT THAT.

AT LEAST I'M NOT.I'> M NOT EITHER.

BUT NORIGHT W THERE IS NO PR ACTICE FOR A BONDING ENGINE TO AUTOMATICALLY GIVE A REFUND TO FIND OUT SAY ULIN THIS PARTICAR INSTANCE THAT THE CASE WAS DISMISSED.

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>> I GUESS I MAY HAVE JUST UNDERSTOOD IT DIFFERENTLY.

THE REFUND IT HAPPENED FROM THE COUNTY THAT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGER OR PUT THEM ON NOTICE THAT THE UNDERLYING CASE HAD NEVER BEEN ACCEPTED AND THAT THEREFORE THE CUSTOMER IS ENTITLED TO REFUND THOSE TWO EVENTS ARE NOT NECESSARILY TIED TOGETHER MAYBE I MISSED HEARING WHAT YOU ARE SAYING.

>> NO. THAT WASN'T.

IT WOULD'VE BEEN PRACTICE WILL BE DELETED UPON A DEBT THAT BOND THE POWER WOULD'VE WENT TO HIS OFFICE.

THAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE SIGN THAT SAID YOU ARE NOT ON THE BOND. YOU GOT BACK IN HER HAND.

UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY PURCHASE BECAUSE THEY BOND TO BE A CASE IS DISMISSED LATER THE CLIENT MAY HAVE GOTTEN BETTER THAT BOND HAVE YOU DID IT, GET CLARIFICATION. TOLBER.

HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THAT CASE YOUR FILE IN THAT CASE I THINK THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BROUGHT IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS

A POTENTIAL ISSUE. >> IT'S A CASE, LIKE I SAID, I'M TRYING TO VERIFY EVERYTHING POOR BUT IF I HAVE TO DO A REFUND, IT'S ONLY $1500. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT, I'M NOT GOING TO STEAL MONEY FROM CLIENTS.

I'VE NEVER DONE THAT. >> MY OTHER QUESTION WAS YOU ARE AWARE OF THE CASE YOU AT LEAST WHAT (ROLL CALLED) I CONSIDER MYSELF WHEN I CHECKED THE FILE BECAUSE EVERY FILE THAT WAS ASKED WHAT WAS GIVEN TO THE SERGEANT AND IT'S NOT LIKE DID HE DIDN'T ASK ME ABOUT THAT TALK WITH MY ONLY QUESTION WAS ELECTED TO FACE BEFORE YOU CAME HERE TODAY IN THE GARCIA

CASE AS WELL. >> YES.

>> WAS THE EMPLOYEE WHO WORKS FOR YOUR OFFICE WHO NEGOTIATED BOTH OF THOSE TRANSACTIONS, WAS AT THE SAME PERSON.

>> NO. ONE WAS A DIFFERENT.

>> TO DIFFERENT EMPLOYEES? >> YES.

>> THIS EMPLOYEE THAT YOU HAVE MENTIONED WAS CONDUCTING LEGAL THEORY ARGUABLY ILLEGAL PRACTICES OUT OF YOUR OFFICE.

THERE WHEN THEY WERE ARRESTED? >> I WAS THERE.

>> READ THE INDIVIDUAL CONTACTED THE POLICE?

>> NOW. THE EMPLOYEES WHO CONTACTED THE OFFICE, 9-1-1, AND THAT WAS -- I THINK THAT WAS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. WAS LOOKING AT THIS ONE RIGHT HERE.

DISTURBANCE UNKNOWN WEAPON THINK THAT IS THE CASE THEY

RETURN ABOUT. >> DID YOU SAY A FOURTH?

>> YES. >> YOU WERE THERE THAT DAVID

WAS AT HPD. >> YES.

>> AS PART OF YOUR BUSINESS PRACTICE OF BEING A LICENSEE TO MAINTAIN ELECTRONIC CHAT FACEBOOK MESSENGER.

>> I TRIED NOT TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF MISUNDERSTANDINGS ARE RATHER GET A GROUP THERE'S A

DISTURBANCE SO YES OR NO? >> YES.

DID HE KNOW. WE'VE DONE IT BUT THERE'S NO COMMUNICATION WHEN IT COMES DUTY NORMALLY DO EVERYTHING IN

PERSON. >> HAD BEEN DONE IN THE PAST AND YOU DON'T LIKE DOING IT? HAVING NEVER NEDO IT? WHAT IS YOUR TESTIMONY. OUT.IDN'T WORK

IT WAS STMISUNDERANDINGS. >> WAS IT YOU EMBARRASS OY

EMPLEES AND ON THAT DOCUMENT. >> NO.

THE ONLY IREASON SOMETIMES OTUSED IT FOR THE HER PURPOSES.C AM I QUIET CUTHANNING POFF IT'S MORE INERSON STUFF NOW.

>> ONE WITHOUT A BEEN. >> WE HAVE A BUT WE DON'T

MUSIC. >> IT'S STILL EXIST?

>> IT DOES BUT WE DON'T USE IT. >> YOU MEMBER THE LAST TIME IT

WAS USED? >> I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK.

>> I HAVE TO CHECK ON THE COMPUTER.

>> YOU DON'T HAVE IT ON YOUR DEVICE.

>> NO BECAUSE I CUT IT OFF WHAT DOES THE PHRASE EXHIBIT,

LOCKET, PUT IT IN YOUR POCKET. >> THAT PHRASE WAS ONE OF THE PHRASES THAT ONE OF THE EMPLOYEES SAID IT WAS A BIG -- THAT BOTHERED ME A LOT BECAUSE IT SOUNDS VERY UNPROFESSIONAL

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IT DISTURBS PEOPLE THERE DD2 ME THAT SOUND LIKE THEY'RE STEALING AND WE DON'T STEAL. I DON'T KNOW WHY SHE BROUGHT IT UP. IT WAS A SAYING THAT.

>> WHERE DID THAT COME FROM. >> WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO YOU.

>> WHERE DID THAT QUOTE COME FROM.

>> HIM ASKING HIM A QUESTION RIGHT NOW.

WHAT DOES THAT PHRASE MEAN TO YOU COMMIT.

>> TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU FAMILIAR WITH IT (ROLL CALLED).

>> WE DON'T USE THEM IN MY OFFICE.

>> ONE MOMENT. WAS THAT PHRASE DID YOU GET A COME UP SOMETIME IN YOUR REVIEW OF THEIR BUSINESS?

>> IN REGARDS TO THE APPLICATION AND THE INSPECTION

IT DID NOT COME UP, NO. >> WORK CHAT, NO.

WHEN I HEAR THAT IT'S CUT OFF. I DON'T WORK THAT WAY.

>> HAVE YOU EVER USE THAT PHRASE.

>> NO. >> OKAY.

IF A RECORD EXISTS SHOWING YOU USING THAT PHRASE IN A CHAT.

>> I'VE NEVER USED IT. >> OKAY.

YOUR TESTIMONY UNDER THIS THAT YOU NEVER DID THE.

>> HAVE NEVER USED IT. >> THANK VERY MUCH.

>> ANYTHING ELSE FOR NOW COMMIT.

>> I NEVER FIGURED OUT WHAT DOES THAT PHRASE MEAN.

>> IN REFERENCE TO WHAT? >> I GUESS THAT WAS MY ORIGINAL

QUESTION (ROLL CALLED). >> WHERE I PICKED IT UP WILL WAS IT TO ME IT SOUNDS LIKE STEALING.

>> WHAT IS THAT? >> IT WAS BROUGHT UP DID IT WAS

AT THE OFFICE WHEN I HEARD IT. >> DOES THAT MEAN WHEN YOU RECEIVE MONEY -- I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE DOING THIS.

IS THAT THE MONEY YOU RECEIVED? STICK IT IN THE SAME --

>> IT COULD'VE BEEN SOMEBODY THAT WAS WALKING IN THE STREET

IF THEY FIND ONE ON THE FLOOR. >> I CAN TELL THE BOARD THAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS NOT -- (ROLL CALLED).

>> THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS NOT (ROLL CALLED) (ROLL CALLED) THE PARTICULAR PHRASE AS PART OF THE INSPECTION AND THE INSPECTION IS ON ITS OWN MERIT OF THE RENEWAL.

OKAY? IF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THIS, RIGHT, WE ARE NOT AT LIBERTY TO TALK ABOUT THAT BECAUSE DOES NOT AT A POINT WHERE WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. WE ARE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE APPLICATION OF FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW.

>> HOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND IT, MICHAEL?

>> I GUESS THAT'S MY ESQUTION. IN THE CONTEXT OF LOOKING AT WHAT THE PRACTICES ARE OF YOUR BUSINESS, OWHETHER YOU DOR DON'T GRANT REFUNDS, AND SO MY O ONLY QUESTN TO YOU IS URWHAT IS

YO UNDERSTANDING? >> THIS CASE, DO YOU HAVE

QUESTIONS? >> I HAVE THREE QUESTIONS.

DOES YOUR OFFICE HAVE ANY WRITTEN POLICIES ABOUT WHEN REFUNDS MIGHT BE TRIGGERED AND WHAT THE OFFICE PROCESS IS

COMMIT. >> YES.

IT'S FOR THE INTEREST OF MY OFFICE.

IT'S ON A BILLBOARD THING. THERE IS A SIGN.

>> YOU KNOW, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THANKS FOR THAT.

AND IF WE TABLE EVERYTHING TODAY, IT JUST MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF THIS GOES TO THE NEXT MEETING TO HAVE A COPY OF THAT REFUND POLICY SO WE CAN SEE IT TOO.

AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE A WRITTEN POLICY ABOUT HANDLING REFUND CHECKS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN PICKED UP, WHERE THERE'S BEEN A DELAY IN THE PERSON JUST HAS NOT COME IN

FOR SOME PERIOD OF TIME? >> NO, THERE'S NOT A POLICY FOR THAT. BUT WE MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THEM ARE PICKED UP AND IF NOT THERE SITTING THERE AND WE WILL MEET AND NORMALLY 9/10 THEY WILL COME FOR THE REFUNDS.

>> SO THAT I UNDERSTAND THIS BETTER, TO THE REFUND CHECKS SIT IN A PILE AND SOMEONE MIGHT GO THROUGH THEM AND SAY, OH, THESE HAVEN'T BEEN PICKED UP, OR HOW DOES THAT WORK?

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>> SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO VERIFY THEM AND SOMETIMES THEY DO DISPUTE THOSE BONDS AND THEY GET THEIR MONEY BACK AND WE DON'T GIVE THEM THE REFUND. AND THAT WE DO TELL THEM.

THEY EITHER -- >> AND THEN THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS DO YOU EVER OR DOES YOUR OFFICE EVER GIVE BONDS WITHOUT REQUIRING A PREMIUM PAYMENT SUCH AS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE FRIENDS OF YOURS OVER YOU BELIEVE ARE GOOD

RISKS? >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. >> DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN WITH MONEY IF IT'S NOT PICKED UP? DO YOU KNOW WHERE THAT MONEY GOES IF SOMEONE DOESN'T PICK IT

UP? >> NO.

>> TO MY UNDERSTANDING, ACTUALLY, NO.

WE HAD THIS ONE CASE THAT WE HAD THE PERSON THAT DID THE PREMIUM BECAUSE WE GO THROUGH IMAGO BASED ON THE PREMIUM.

AND WE GAVE THE MONEY. SHE HAD AN ACCIDENT AND SHE PASSED AWAY. SO WE WERE GOING TO ISSUE THE REFUND TO THE MONEY BUT SHE NEEDED A POWER OF ATTORNEY.

IN REGARDS TO THE POWER OF ATTORNEY SHE DECIDED TO BOND OUT THE GUY. SO IT WAS A POWER OF ATTORNEY WE WERE REQUIRED TO GET BACK TO THE RIGHT PERSON.

>> DO YOU KNOW WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO MONEY IF IT'S NOT PICKED UP? DO YOU HAVE A REFUND CHECK DO YOU KNOW WHAT HAPPENS OR WHAT SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN?

>> HAVEN'T GONE TO THAT CONCLUSION BUT IT IS MY EXPERIENCE THAT PERSON THAT PASSED AWAY.

>> IN THE CURRENT ROUND OF THE BAIL BOND COURSES, ONE OF THE TOPICS I TEACH HAS TO DO WITH DUES AND DON'TS ABOUT COLLECTION STUFF FROM ONE OF THE THINGS I TALK ABOUT IS THE COMPTROLLERS DEEM IT TO BE ABANDONED IF IT'S NOT PICKED UP FOR THREE YEARS AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS.

I ESGUS IF YOU NEVER HAD ONE COME TO THAT POINT.

AS I WAS MAKING - SURE - >> IT'S G SOMETHINWE'RE

TEACHING PAND IT'SRETTY RARE.T >> JUSONE MOMENT.

SO URTHE GIST OF YO ANSWER OIS MOSTF THE IS E ADVISED THAT THEY AREFGOIN TO GET A RUND, T WE USUALLY DON'HAVE A EMPROBLEM GETTING TH SOTHERE TO PICK IT UP.

YOU ARE SAYING YOU ARE CHARACTERIZING IT AS RARE THAT A REFUND WOULD BE SETTING FOR LENGTHOF TIME.

IS THAT FAIR? >> YES.

>> OKAY.HANK YOU. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE?

YOU HAD A FOLLOW-UP? >> JUST TO GIVE IT SOME CONTEXT AND CLARITY. IN 15 YEARS OF BEING IN BUSINESS HAVE NEVER HAD ANYBODY NOT WENT PICK ONE UP.

SO IT'S RARE. AND IN THAT CASE THAT PERSON WAS DECEASED. TBUT JUST HOW OFTEN IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.> ALONG THATRAIN OF THOUGHT, TO REVIEW WHAT WE'VE LOOKED AT THERE WERE TWO ARRESTEES FOR LACK OF A MORE PRECISE TERM ARRESTEE NUMBER ONE REQUESTED A REFUND NOT IN WRITING AND THE REFUND WAS NOT GIVEN.

AND IN ARRESTEE NUMBER TWO NUMBER'S INSTANCE, THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR A REFUND AND YOU SAID AT THE POINT THAT IT WAS BEING LOOKED INTO THERE WAS -- FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM A DUSTY CHECK THAT WAS KIND OF SITTING THERE AND THEN E BY THE TIME WE GOT TO TODAY, THE REFUND IN THSECOND ARRESTEE'S INSTANCE HAS BEEN COMPLETED SO THE REFUND HAS BEEN GIVEN IN THE SECOND CASE. OKAY.

THANK YOU. AND FURTHERMORE I HAD ONE MORE QUESTION. AN ALARM TO -- OKAY.

AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, ACCORDING TO THE DISCUSSION IN THE QUESTIONS THAT AT SOME POINT YOU HAD AN EMPLOYEE AND UPON DISCOVERING THEY WERE UP TO SOME ACTIVITIES THAT WAS PROBABLY UNLAWFUL AND UNRELATED TO THEIR DUTIES OF BEING IN

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OFFICE, WHAT I UNDERSTAND YOU SAID WAS YOUR OTHER EMPLOYEE, THE ONE THAT WAS FOLLOWING THE RULES IMMEDIATELY CALLED 9-1-1 AND HAD THE PERSON REMOVED, IS NOT CORRECT FOR.

>> PRETTY MUCH. >> THANK YOU.

WE WILL GO AHEAD AND MOVE ON WITH JUDGE BALDWIN.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE GENTLEMAN.

>> JUDGE BALDWIN, NO QUESTIONS. >> CARS ARE NO QUESTION.>

JUDITH, NO QUESTIONS. >> AT THIS TIME WE ARE GOING TO -- DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT, IF I DON'T SEE ANY HANDS WE ARE GOING TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION AND IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME HAVE SAID THAT THEY WANTED A MOTION

TO TABLE FOR NEXT MONTH. >> DO A LITTLE DEEPER DIVE BUSINESS PRACTICES. THE LICENSE IS NOT ACTUALLY UPWARD UNTIL AUGUST 22, IT'S STILL WOULD MAKE THE DEADLINE TO BE CALLED THE AUGUST AGENDA AND IF APPROVED STILL HAVE THE 10 DAYS AND IT WOULD FIT THE TIMELINE.

>> DO WE HEAR A SECOND? >> A SECOND FROM CATHERINE

CASE. >> WE HEARD JUDGE MARSHALL SECONDING ALSO THAT MOTION FOR THE RECORD.

>> OKAY. ALL OF THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY

BY SAYING AYE. >> ANY OPPOSED? ANY EXTENSIONS? OKAY.

THIS MATTER IS TABLED UNTIL NEXT MONTH AND WE WILL SEE YOU

NEXT MONTH. >> THANK YOU.

[C4. Follow up discussion and potential action related to the search warrant execution in relation to Aable Bail Bonds, license number 74571 and Aable Bail Bonds TX, license number 74618. Consider executive session for legal advice.]

THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS A FINAL ITEM, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. ITEM NUMBER 4 FOLLOW-UP DISCUSSION AND POTENTIAL ACTIONE LATED TO THE SEARCH WARRANT EXECUTION IN RELATION BATO ABLE IL BONDS 45LICENSE NUMBER 741 UNABLE BAIL BONDS, TEXAS LICENSE NUMBER 74618 CONSIDER R EXECUTIVE SESSION FOLEGAL RG ADVICE.

YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON THIS AGENDA ITEM AT THIS W

TIME? >> SO DOE HAVE REPRESENTATIVES FROMABEL? CAN YOU STOP UP, PLEASE? GENTLEMEN, COULD YOU PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR OUR RECORD.

>> LIKE THE DEAL WITH U.S. THE FIRE COMPANY.

>> DARACE MCGUIRE WITH FINANCIAL SURETY.

>> CAN GOOD ATTORNEY FOR FINANCIAL CASUALTY.

>> EVERYONE THAT'S GOING TO TESTIFY, WOULD YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO BE SWORN? THANK YOU.

YOU SWEAR THAT THE TESTIMONY BEFORE THE HARRIS COUNTY BAIL BONDS BOARD TO BE THE TRUTH, NOTHING TRUE THEY DID THE TRUTH THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD?

>> YES. >> THANK YOU.

SOMETIMES ATTORNEYS DON'T SWEAR BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY SWORN PRIOR. SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SHARE BEFORE WE GO INTO OUR QUESTIONS?

>> YES. WE TOLD THE BOARD THAT WE WOULD GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. SO IN THE LAST 30 DAYS I'VE -- WE'VE DONE A LOT OF SEARCHING FOR INFORMATION.

>> FOR CLARIFICATION TO THE BOARD WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVES BECAUSE THE SMALL HARROUFF HAS TWO DIFFERENT LICENSES. SO THERE IS APRIL BONDS WHICH IS FINANCIAL CASUALTY INSURANCE AND THEN APRIL BONDS TEXAS WHICH IS UNDER THE BUYER. YOU REPRESENT -- FINANCIAL.